Posted on 10/02/2017 4:02:52 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
Why would they need to clear any other floors? They knew where he was.
I thought police were superbly trained in using guns.
The only acceptable explanation would be difficulty in finding where the fire was coming from.
But if they knew the floor or room it was coming from, that was far too slow.
I heard it all live in the scanner, they were moving in pretty quickly on the room, less than 15 minutes. Took the stairs. A security guard took a round in the leg before they got there, presumably through the door. Don’t know how you go about crashing a hotel room through heavy doors. And it looks to be a suite which would have more than one door. Flashbacks would probably be best tactic but responding patrolmen wouldn’t have them.
Also, they had riflemen drawn on the blown out windows pretty quickly but chances of a clean shot were pretty hopeless.
I think the did the best they could.
It was not a 72 minute response time. The law enforcement officers on scene knew it was Mandalay almost immediately, and converged there.
And LE does not do the Columbine response anymore.
Its go in, even if by yourself, and neutralize the threat. (Its better if you are part of a four man fire team).
I listened to the police scanners.
One of the officers asks if there has been any recent fire and is told no
The same thing happened at Sandy Hook. They “assembled” away from the school before attempting to enter.
Its go in, even if by yourself, and neutralize the threat.
Which is exactly what was not done.
I just ask my hubby wondering why he quit shooting...
This is my point: with the obvious risk of terrorism, the failure to properly equip and train first responders appears to have resulted in unnecessary casualties. The first responders may, indeed, have "done the best they could," but their supervisors may bear a heavy responsibility.
No one definitively knows what happened but the best response available dealt with the shooter.
That shooter at the Community College in Oregon - the two closest officers, plain clothes detectives iirc were closest and responded. The one guy said that as they were driving in he thought “Okay - pop the trunk, grab my vest and my rifle and start running. Except when we got there - there was still a lot of shooting - I just grabbed my rifle and ran.”
They killed the guy as he was still firing at the kids. I thought it was just the two cops (and a off-duty cop/soldier that was a student and grabbed his weapon out of his car) being heroic and going against procedure. Yours is the second time I have heard that they have been retrained on their response - just go and try to stop the guy. (Hannity this afternoon had on some sheriff from Oregon that said that is the new protocal). Of course they are all still heroic - to go up against an armed guy like that. Or - in the case of the hotel - it could have been wired with a big IED at the door.
Ultimately, we’ll get a full post-mortem on this incident, but so far it’s not looking promising for the police brass.
If true, 72 minutes is waay too long imo. Did paddock quit shooting after 10 minutes and kill himself then? Was there no gunfire for one hour before the door was breached? And I think a 12ga blast will breach most any un reinforced door handily...
Sometimes Dirty Harry is right.
I was just making the point that was not sitting at the desk quietly writing a letter, he’s busy shooting which means he’s probably not going to hear Jack squat if you use the keycard, but if you breach the door with explosives he’s going to know you’re coming and he’s going to turn his weapon around—just saying.
Witnesses reported being able to see muzzle flash, so they knew where the shots were coming from.
“I, too, would like to here LEO’s reasons for the 72 minute response time”
Well at the least they are getting better. Columbine high school and the gay club in Orlando were a couple of hours.
It’s a good point, but if he turns toward the door then he’s no longer killing innocent civilians, which after all is the point. Either way, that’s got to happen long before 72 minutes.
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