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A way to stop school shootings

Posted on 02/22/2018 7:35:33 AM PST by Cubs Fan

1. Make all the students and teachers enter through one entrance.

2. Put a metal detector (or detectors) in that entrance.

3. pay an armed security guard to oversee the area.

(If it is a larger school maybe hire some more security guards and open two more entrances with metal detectors during the morning rush)


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To: Cubs Fan

Back in the 80`s Oakland Tech High School armed all their teachers and put cops in the halls = double deterrent.
It was common for gang gun battles to take place every day til the change.


41 posted on 02/22/2018 8:32:20 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ((((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))))))
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To: Cubs Fan

4. Parents, cease and desist immediately from allowing your kids to be put on behavior/mind-altering drugs easily, at any age. Allow it only as an absolute last resort. Explore all other alternatives and give them a chance to work.

5. Parents, cease and desist immediately from allowing your kids to partake freely of toxic social media and television, movies, and video games containing violence and bad social messages, i.e., promiscuity. Push back against moral rot entering the lives of your children. Put limits on this garbage (looking at you, Hollyweird).


42 posted on 02/22/2018 8:32:24 AM PST by Cecily
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To: Cubs Fan; All

I have a better one:

- Single point of entry
- Faculty & students must change out of their ‘civies’ and into a hospital gown.
- Faculty & students can then change into their school uniforms when through the screening process
- Reverse for EOD
- All school supplies will stay on premises
- Books/etc. must be electronic to allow homework/etc.

Nothing IN, nothing OUT. What’s INSIDE has been scanned/verified/approved.

Hell, it’ll work for air-travel too, no?


43 posted on 02/22/2018 8:38:26 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Leaning Right

YOUR Scenario is why COCW should be allowed in EVERY school/classroom


44 posted on 02/22/2018 8:44:53 AM PST by goodnesswins (There were 1.41 MILLION NON Profit orgs in 2013 with $1.73 TRILLION in REVENUE)
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To: Cubs Fan

It would certainly spend a lot of money. If getting rid of excess money is the goal then it would work. Training all the teachers in handgun use- the NRA gun safety course comes to mind- and announcing that licensed concealed carry would be permitted on school grounds would be a hell of a lot more effective and cost a hell of a lot less.


45 posted on 02/22/2018 8:45:25 AM PST by arthurus (kyu)
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To: goodnesswins

CCW


46 posted on 02/22/2018 8:45:54 AM PST by goodnesswins (There were 1.41 MILLION NON Profit orgs in 2013 with $1.73 TRILLION in REVENUE)
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To: cranked

Pat everyone down as they enter. Anal exams for the truculent.


47 posted on 02/22/2018 8:46:11 AM PST by arthurus (mdf)
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To: windsorknot

A combination of internet classrooms and home-schooling is the answer and it is coming whether liberals like it or not. No more cattle in schools ready to be slaughtered and certainly no more busing and substandard teachers. Internet classes can be run by the best of the best on pre-recorded videos which are then run through by each individual at his own pace. Sell all of that property when it is no longer a need to house education in a building rather than online from home. Fire all of the wasted workers and teachers who are no longer needed as well as the higher ups in administrative positions. The decent teachers will make good money as tutors. The others will have to do something else for a living rather than screw up our children.


48 posted on 02/22/2018 8:48:50 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: EinNYC

good points. But If you make them all go through one entrance and make all other fire escape only doors (that would trigger and alarm) that would work.


49 posted on 02/22/2018 8:53:13 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump is all that stands between America and left wing totalitarianism)
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To: odawg
Of course it would work, but the Left would be against it just for that reason. Their main goal is gun grabbing, not school safety.

You nailed it I ran this on a lefty site and most admit it would work, but wanted to take people's guns anayway, The usual cry was basically "yeah it would probably work, but what do you need a gun for?"

50 posted on 02/22/2018 8:57:27 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump is all that stands between America and left wing totalitarianism)
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To: chemical_boy
you forgot, lock external doors while school is in session

I would say make all doors other than the main entrance fire escape doors with an alarm sounding if they are opened.

52 posted on 02/22/2018 9:04:43 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump is all that stands between America and left wing totalitarianism)
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To: Cubs Fan

I’ll try again:

Defense in depth is the answer.

Local defense:
School teachers and staff who get their CCW will be in charge of their classrooms and will deny entry to the shooter. Surprising many teachers already have their CCW.

Their guns should be those with which they are comfortable and practiced. Not every gun fits everyone. Area defense:
A group of vet teachers or retired police teachers would act to control hallways and cross hallways, progressively moving toward the shooter thereby limiting his movement, Hopefully pinning him down to a small area.

They would stand down as the police arrived and deployed.

Facility defense:
1. Armed guard at entrance as the kids enter.
An armed employee should be present at all times signing all visitors in and out. Sandy Hook shooter shot his way in through the glass windows and received no immediate return fire. Return fire would make the shooter change his plans. 2. Intelligence through social media to be reported to local cops if threats are made or the child is shown to harbor psychopathic tendencies. Violent activity would be reported to the police immediately.
3. Clear backpacks only.
4. Signs on the campus which state something like: “Employees are armed. CCW license holders may carry on campus.” This sign declares that the school has superior firepower to any erstwhile shooter.
5. Limited entry points to school.

This requires little infrastructure improvement and should work. How would we know? No shootings at those schools which implement these protocols. This would give schools “Defense in Depth” or “Layered defense” and would work to eliminate attacks or limit the damage done. They would now be hardened targets.


53 posted on 02/22/2018 9:07:01 AM PST by buffaloguy (Bond arms Cowbot)
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To: goodnesswins

I actually don’t favor weapons in every classroom. In my school - an urban school - there’s a decent percentage of kids who are just plain out of control.

Our hallways are crowded...elbow to elbow. If a teacher were carrying, one of those kids would sooner or later find out, and “bump” into that teacher in the hallway. Then there’d be a grab for the gun.

The teacher could instead keep his gun locked up somewhere in his classroom. That’s would be better, I suppose. But then you’d have to worry about keeping that room secure when the teacher is not there. Kids can and do break into rooms.

What I STRONGLY favor is this. Every school should have a couple of armed first-responders, probably trained teachers. There’d be special rooms (more than one!) for them. Each room should have at least two doors. And each room should have monitors connected to cameras.

Say you and I are on one team. You are there first period. Second period, I relieve you while you go teach. Etc. Firearms stay in those rooms.

My plan has drawbacks, I know.


54 posted on 02/22/2018 9:07:57 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: goodnesswins

CCW <

I thought your original COCW stood for Concealed or Open Carry Weapon!


55 posted on 02/22/2018 9:10:51 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Leaning Right
Student A goes through the security process. He’s clean. Then Student A goes to a remote part of the building - maybe a restroom - and opens a window. Student B - who is waiting outside - throws the contraband through the open window. Sometimes Student B isn’t even needed. Student A will leave the contraband on the window sill the night before

There will always be ways to thwart the process, but if thyey are tken care of right away you can fix them. Like maybe keep all first floor windows closed. or some other solution (check window sills at end of day)

56 posted on 02/22/2018 9:10:58 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump is all that stands between America and left wing totalitarianism)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Gee, just like they do at courthouses, airports, federal office buildings, and so forth.

right, the solution seems obvious. But since it is not in place in most schools. maybe it isn't so obvious????

57 posted on 02/22/2018 9:14:36 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump is all that stands between America and left wing totalitarianism)
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To: Uncle Sham; NicknamedBob
A combination of internet classrooms and home-schooling is the answer and it is coming whether liberals like it or not.

As featured in a novel by our own Nicknamedbob!

We already have Khan Academy, which is free. My family has been buying college lectures from "The Great Courses" for years, but now you can get almost all their content streaming for an annual fee in the $150-$200 range, with study guides and essay topics downloadable.

The roadblock to this working, of course, is that most parents want or need their children to be supervised by others during the day, regardless of the (disguised) cost or the safety risks.

58 posted on 02/22/2018 9:16:34 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The societal moronization ... is profound and terrifying." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: cld51860

Who benefits most, I wonder, when most children spend most of their time in prison conditions.

But it’s “free” ...


59 posted on 02/22/2018 9:17:55 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The societal moronization ... is profound and terrifying." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: bluejean
Single point of failure: all the students are lined up like fish in a barrel to go through the check point. Maniac with a gun doesn’t have to get inside the school to mow people down from a distance. There’s no way to completely stop this. It’s the liberal utopia’s wet dream - a morally corrupted society with unsolvable problems that require more and more laws by the elites to control the unwashed masses. End goal: stinking dictatorship.

You could have a plain clothes armed security guard monitor the crowd.

Cause, Guess what if people don;t come up with a solution, every time there is a school shooting the libs are going to try to take guns away. Sooner or later it might work. Better to figure out a way to prevent school shootings (nothing can prevent them all, but we can make it a lot harder to pull off).

60 posted on 02/22/2018 9:18:56 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump is all that stands between America and left wing totalitarianism)
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