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Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman...
Nature ^ | 30 May 2017 | Verena J. Schuenemann, Alexander Peltzer, et al

Posted on 03/10/2019 4:37:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: SunkenCiv
The Afrocentrists and such experts as Al Sharpton call the ancient Egyptians black. In Egyptian art you can find some individuals who appear to be black, but the Egyptians seem to have seen themselves as different from the definitely black people south of them. St. Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian at one point and there is no reason to think he looked black (entirely of Israelite ancestry as far as we know).

I recall a DNA study some time ago that estimated that 20% of Egyptian DNA is like sub-Saharan African DNA. Of course the modern percentages may be different because of sub-Saharan Africans being imported in post-Roman times thanks to the Muslim trans-Saharan slave trade.

21 posted on 03/10/2019 6:04:19 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: odawg

“And some of the mummies had red hair.”

Vikings landed there too!!/s

I’m amazed at how much and how far ancient people traveled.

Read about a very rare gene that is found in a small population in the middle east and in India. Did some research and it turns out it’s theorized that it’s becuz a group of Zoroastrians walked out of the middle east to escape Mohamed’s death squads on Christians.


22 posted on 03/10/2019 6:12:38 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: monkeyshine

“They were allies and then later, about a century after the Anthony and Cleopatra era”

If Cleo had her way (and she might very well have succeeded),
it would have been an empire centered on Alexandria, and not Rome. Alexandria was a key trade hub between east Asia, India, etc, and Rome. It was much wealthier and occupied a better, safer, geographic position.


23 posted on 03/10/2019 6:29:03 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: SunkenCiv

Were they selling any Apple Computers back then?


24 posted on 03/10/2019 7:09:23 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: SunkenCiv

But, but, but..... were the Egyptians.... black— like Michael Jackson said they were? THAT’s the important genome to identify— and avoid talking about the social construct in the Roman Empire that did not have anything but slavery in mind for the Egyptian colony (despite Rome’s dependency on Egyptian grain through the Aventine markets, and supplying the outer Empire and Legions.

Really— this “sub saharan” genome-— it be black, rite? Not sepia like obamaumao and the muzlim slave masters of white slavers.


25 posted on 03/10/2019 9:57:49 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: edwinland

More importantly is the huge number of Slaves traded across Africa during the 1200 years of the study.

Guess some Moslems and NOI moslems (Louie Farrakhan’s ‘crew’) will blame it all on the JOOSZ.

Why not? They blame everything on the Jews. Maybe Rep. Omer and Tlaib will add their scientific knowledge to this debate. Naaah! Why confuse them with facts?


26 posted on 03/11/2019 1:06:36 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (with)
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To: John S Mosby
What part of "increase" don't you understand?

27 posted on 03/11/2019 4:55:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Jim 0216
They were using Palm back then, specifically, they relied on the calendar program, Date Palm.

28 posted on 03/11/2019 4:57:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The false dichotomy of that stark "were they black or white" is going on in Afrocentrism as well as right here on FR -- Egypt wasn't all one thing.

In their art, they were much more vernacular even while being stylized, typically showing men with darker skin (because they spent more time outdoors) and women with lighter skin (because they spent more time indoors). They also portrayed Asiatics (Semites, mostly) in specific ways, black Africans such that they are recognizable today, Keftiu, Pereset, etc -- and the importance of each human portrayed is often signaled by their relative sizes.

Greeks arrived in great numbers before, during, and after Persian rule, as did other less familiar groups who went where the action was. Roman rule meant former borders were down and transportation was simpler than it had ever been (and perhaps was going to be up until modern times) so there isn't much of a surprise that there were changes in the population's DNA. Roman rule had a nebulous boundary, and Roman influence via trade had a very great reach. A bear that was native to Africa was hugely popular in the Roman "games", and wound up extinct due to that use.
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29 posted on 03/11/2019 5:16:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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30 posted on 03/11/2019 5:24:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: lizma2
Can I get back on your ping list?????

Love this stuff.
Absolutely, welcome back!

31 posted on 03/11/2019 5:24:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

The artistic convention of showing men as darker and women as lighter (because of how much time they spend outdoors) is also found in Bronze Age Minoan/Mycenaean art. There were definitely contacts between the Minoans and the Egyptians—Sir Arthur Evans was able to create his chronology for Minoan civilization based on imported Egyptian artifacts, and Cretans are depicted in 2nd millennium Egyptian art. Also the Thera frescoes show blue monkeys which may have reached there via Egypt (Ethiopia is the northern end of their range).


32 posted on 03/11/2019 6:25:44 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

33 posted on 03/11/2019 6:57:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ok, interesting, but how is it relevant?


34 posted on 03/11/2019 8:42:39 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I read an interesting piece in the WSJ a few years ago. The author’s family were Alexandrian Jews who didn’t feel compelled to leave until after Nasser’s thugs seized power and made clear they and others with non-Arab ancestry were not welcome in the new Egypt.


35 posted on 03/11/2019 11:15:06 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
My friend's father was probably in that modern Exodus.

36 posted on 03/11/2019 11:27:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Jim 0216; SunkenCiv

My ancestors joined up with the Verisigoths but had to change plans because they got tired of all the Roman charges.


37 posted on 03/11/2019 11:29:18 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: TBP
Your post isn't relevant.

38 posted on 03/11/2019 11:30:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv
Old Alexandria sounded like a very pleasant, cosmopolitan place.

Not surprised the Arab nationalists couldn't abide by it. I mean, Qutb couldn't abide by a sock hop in a church basement in Greeley, Colorado.

39 posted on 03/11/2019 11:48:21 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Larry Lucido
Fail to pay those, and you could have wound up in a *cell* somewhere.

40 posted on 03/11/2019 12:35:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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