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To: gattaca

Honestly, I’m pretty sure Palmer would be completely disgusted with Clinton (and with Sanders, for that matter). And just as an FYI, the founding fathers engaged in their own version of the palmer raids when they exiled Citizen Genet after he tried to stir up France’s crap here in America when France was undergoing its own revolution, and they formed the constitution, so unless you want to claim the founding fathers violated their own constitution at inception, I suggest laying off against the Palmer Raids. Unless you believe in the Voltaire version of free speech where the government is too terrified to stop you even when you are using your free speech to stab it and Christians in the back.


76 posted on 01/12/2020 2:07:04 AM PST by otness_e
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To: otness_e
If it was within the constitution when the Founding Fathers evicted Genet…..the founding fathers engaged in their own version of the palmer raids when they exiled Citizen Genet after he tried to stir up France’s crap here in America….

You may want to reconsider this line of argument since Genet was never actually exiled. And as the French ambassador, the proper term would be “recalled”, i.e. sent home with his diplomatic credentials revoked, “persona non grata”.

https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/edmond-charles-genet/

“Genet arrived in Philadelphia on May 18 and first met with Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson, whom he knew was sympathetic to the French cause. Although Jefferson was pro-French and disagreed with Washington's neutrality policy, he was upset with Genet’s violation of American laws. Genet was discouraged by Jefferson but persisted nonetheless, apparently with a serious misunderstanding of the American political system, as he believed Congress possessed all diplomatic powers. After deliberating with Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, Washington reaffirmed American neutrality to Genet, and demanded that he not hire more privateers, cancel his plans to invade British and Spanish territory, and return the goods privateered by his ships. Washington asserted that these actions were in violation of American neutrality, yet Genet insisted that privateering and selling the goods in American ports was within his rights by the 1778 Treaty of Amity and Commerce. Washington's advisors John Jay and Rufus King publicly denounced Genet for his actions in August 1793. Genet then wrote personally to Washington to explain his intentions and clear his name: "Certain persons, actuated by views which time will develope, despairing to attack my principles, have descended to personal abuse—In hopes of withdrawing from me that esteem which the public feel and avow for the representative of the French republic."1 In Genet’s mind, anti-French members of Washington's cabinet were seeking to sabotage him.”

“After consulting with his cabinet, Washington asked the French to recall Genet. It was feared that Genet would incite a pro-French coup against the government by appealing directly to the people. The French acquiesced because they feared losing American favor when they needed access to American ports and goods. Washington wrote of Genet in a 1793 address to the Senate: "It is with extreme concern, I have to inform you, that the proceedings of the person whom they have unfortunately appointed their minister . . . here have breathed nothing of the friendly spirit of the nation which sent him; their tendency has been to involve us in war abroad, discord and anarchy at home."2 Washington's response caused a divide in his cabinet along pro-British and pro-French lines. Genet was recalled in January 1794 but was granted political asylum by Washington when Genet’s Jacobin replacement called for his arrest and deportation to France.

“Genet married New York Governor George Clinton's daughter Cornelia on November 6, 1794, and retired to her farm on the Hudson River. After her death in 1810, he married Martha Osgood, the daughter of Washington's postmaster general. He lived the rest of his life out of the public eye as a farmer in New York. The couple remained married until his death in 1834.”

77 posted on 01/12/2020 3:22:39 AM PST by MD Expat in PA (No. I am not a doctor nor have I ever played one on TV. The MD in my screen name stands for Maryland)
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