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To: fireman15

RE: Oh please! You are the one who started this thread.

Yes, and you were the one who started the accusations.

RE: But thank you for taking the bait and doing exactly what I predicted that you would.

So, you now admit that your purpose is to bait people, and your interest is not to pursue the truth of the matter?

RE: Yesterday I was at a military associations quarterly meeting. We talk there and learn more about about those we admire and the real deeds that they accomplished. So much different than the sports figure and acting world “heroes” that you and so many others spend their time and effort paying homage to. A few of them are fine upstanding people but most are just jokes.

Well, we have been going back and forth about this so called “rape” of Natalie Wood. I’ve been asking for convincing evidence. I’m still waiting....


73 posted on 02/09/2020 7:17:03 PM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind
When evaluating claims of this type, it is important to try and understand what the motivation would be for the victim to make it up. There was no obvious motivation for Natalie Wood to tell her mother and her sister that she had been raped and for them to take her to the hospital for her injuries other than the fact that she had been raped. Their was no motivation for Natalie Wood to tell many different acquaintances and her therapists over the years that Kirk Douglass had raped her other than it happened.

On the other hand despite your glassy eyed ignorance about social norms and the attitudes at that time, there were a lot of reasons for her and her family, her friends and her associates to keep their mouths shut.

It would actually have made Ms. Wood less credible if she had come forward during that time period and tried to get money or other forms of compensation. She was a fragile person and would have been drug through the mud. It would not have made sense.

My wife's dad beat her, her mother, and her brothers and sister over an extended period of time. He did all sorts of other unspeakable things as well. My wife walked to school with her face all bloodied. At one point he knocked her front teeth out, so for several years she was a little girl with no front teeth. When she was asked what had happened, she always replied that she had fallen down.

Everyone knew what was really going on in that household, the teachers, the neighbors, the doctors and nurses, the dentist, and their extended family... everyone. But unlike Kirk, her dad was a real decorated war hero who served from before WWII, through Korea, and into the Vietnam era. He was fearsome in battle and at home. And like Kirk he had a drinking problem. My wife's mother eventually died of a brain aneurysm that was related to multiple head injuries.

Before you even start thinking of all that you will believe the victims in this case could have done to end this abuse, let me remind you again that it was a different time. None of the nonsense that is going through your mind would have helped. And even though it all happened exactly as I told you and actually worse than you can probably imagine. There is no proof that I could present to you that would convince you that if instead of my wife's dad we were talking about Kirk Douglass... Nothing...

My wife still has plenty of problems both physical and emotional from her horrific childhood. She does not tell people about it because this ALWAYS results in negative consequences. But despite this she is one of the most remarkable people that I have ever known. She is still strikingly beautiful. She is now a retired nurse. When I met her she had been teaching “fat boy” programs on two different military bases in the area, and had just won the Northwest Regional Aerobics Instructor Championships.... I didn't even know there was such a thing at the time. For the first time in my life I fell madly in love the moment that I laid eyes on her. For some strange reason she fell in love with me despite being pursued by many other suitors on those bases especially. Thirty years later I feel the same way. She can still fit into her wedding dress... People still mistake her for a well known movie star. Successful people like my wife and Natalie Wood move on despite the bullsh@t evil bastards have done to them.

74 posted on 02/10/2020 8:18:10 AM PST by fireman15
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