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To: magglepuss

Why don’t you have the same animosity toward the Governors and Mayors who truly amass fortunes due to their crooked behavior as they trample the constitution?

I do, honestly, i will respond later, I need to go make dinner. I honestly believe most of us would be on the same page if folks, not you greeneyes, but others didn’t keep trying to conflate cops arresting criminals, with cops threatening arrest on everyday Americans, and violating their rights. Please watch this link to a cop talking about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3EJKUKeJr8&t=91s
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And that hero/patriot will be one of the first to be sued and lose everything, if qualified immunity is totally eliminated.

And if you truly have the same animosity toward Political Officials who are violating their oaths with their edicts, then please at least mention them instead of just mentioning cops.

And I think cops have been disparged more than enough these past few weeks. Just my 2 cents, and really there’s no need to continue the discussion-it’s just going to lead to more discord, so I’ll thank you if you just let this be the last post on the subject.


1,845 posted on 06/23/2020 5:21:37 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: greeneyes
My tired brain informed me it had one possible, off-the-wall, solution to this.

Disallow qualified immunity.

But

a) limit monetary damages.

b) make a sliding scale of damages according to the right trampled on

c) make the law that each and every person in the chain of command, pays a fine themselves, which is some significant fraction of the amount assessed against the person who violated the rights.

Totally fictitious example.

Policeman X reports to Sergeant Y reports to Lieutenant Z reports to Chief A reports to Commissioner B reports to the Mayor.

Policeman X gets sexual favors out of a drunk college girl to keep from locking her up for drunk driving on Spring Break. This is pretty bad, but no actual force was used, only threats.

Say the fine is $15,000. This comes out of the cop's own pocket.

The Sergeant has to pay 80% of that (he's closest to the beat cop and should know how to train them). $12k out of his pocket.

The Lieutenant, doesn't see all the beat cops so often, but should know how much training emphasized "we don't DO that here, this isn't New Jersey" or whatever. 2/3 of the original amount or $10k out of his pocket.

The Chief, well, he's responsible for implementing policy. 1/2 of the original amount or $7500.

The Commish -- well, he sets overall policy and has a say in staffing standards. 1/3 of the original amount or $5000.

"But isn't that UNFAIR?" you ask. "The poor beat cop can LEAST afford it."

Well, yes, except for one little thing.

The beat cop is the one who can decide to intimidate the college girl, or do the paperwork and then go home and read a Victoria's Secret catalog. If he does the right thing, none of this happens.

And, the further up the ladder you go, the more chances you have of getting dinged if the people below you screw up: it creates great incentives to tell your underlings to clean up their act.

Oh yeah, almost forgot.

This can't be done by an internal review board. Maybe it has to be a mandatory Civil Jury Trial.

Just brainstorming here, folks.

1,886 posted on 06/23/2020 6:29:29 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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