Posted on 09/08/2021 3:22:16 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper
For years, the Israeli “Tavor” was marketed as the rifle of the future, and many of the Israel Defense Forces infantry fighters proudly carried it, enthusiastic about its convenience and futuristic look.
Just 10 years after integrating it into the Israeli army, however, the IDF will begin transitioning the brigades currently using it and the micro-“Tavor” to the American M4, known as a “flat-top” rifle.
One of the IDF’s infantry brigades is expected to receive the M4 rifle in the near future, and other brigades will follow. The Israeli-made rifles will not be retired completely, but rather will be transferred to the army’s reserve brigades.
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It's better than the M4 at just about every metric save one.
A light weight, M4 carbine is hands down the best handling, most accurate and best pointing people shooter in the biz.
Nothing else comes close.
Not the beloved FN FAL, the FN SCAR, the Sig 551/553, the Steyr AUG, the AK 47/74, the Bren 2, the FNC or any of the other similar options. A Valmet M76 comes pretty close but it's too old school to get the job done
And that is a fact.
A modern. scienced out, well developed and squared away M4 is the point and click interface of death at a price point that simply can't be beat
Yes stand directly in front of the weapon when I fires! Next question please
Then again, maybe just a false alarm.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/09/08/idf-not-replacing-tavor/
So now Israel has had its dalliances with the FN-FAL, the AK-47/Galil, and a bullpup of its own creation and has come back to Eugene Stoner.
It bears mention that the M-4 carbine (and its variants, such as the HK-416) remains the most popular ‘standard issue’ firearm with special operations units all over the world, including those serving in countries whose standard infantry rifle is a bullpup (most notably, Israel, formerly great Britain, and the cheese-eating surrender monkeys). So 10 out of 10 snake eaters agree, bullpups suck.
All of which goes back to the point that everybody wants an AR, even if they don’t realize it.
M4 carbines certainly are cheap - although stamped AKs are probably cheaper...
The receivers are near net shaped and require minimal CNC machining and the raw forgings are dirt cheap due to economies of scale of the huge volume produced.
Same can be said for barrels and bolt/carrier groups.
An M4 can be assembled with simple hand tools in less than an hour.
The AK 47 is very labor intensive to manufacture with numerous pressing, spot welding and riveting operations needed to assemble a rifle.
“Seemed like a good social work gun. Maybe the price will drop now.”
Didn’t India incorporate the Tavor into their arsenal?
In that regard, it might be said that the cost of the military weapons has benefited from the sale of millions of civilian AR15s (IIRC, one estimate was close to 15 million civilian ARs in the US)...
I believe that’s true. They did manufacture them there.
The production volumes, manufacturing efficiency, innovation and quality of work are second to none and the innovation in the civilian markets have filtered back to the military side.
“ With a bullpup design, the barrel can remain ‘rifle length’
Type 86S Bullpup AK has 17.25 inch barrel stuffed in there with flash hider and will accept a 40 round clip.
Mag
Well stated. What were the metrics that favors the favor?
The Tavor is accurate, tough, reliable and extremely compact and well balanced.
It works well with women, even if it is a bit heavy and it's blocky, squat configuration makes it a really hard weapon for an opponent to get a grab on to disarm or steal a weapon. This is a big deal for the situations the Izzys find themselves in on a daily basis
Israel needs a compact weapon as they do a lot of CQB street and city fighting and they are using tight vehicles for mobility.
The 5.56x45 performance is very dependent upon velocity and short barrels give very poor performance.
A Tavor with an 18 in barrel is shorter than a 10 in bbl AR with stock fully collapsed.
So the Tavor excels in Urban CQB combat, is easy to deploy from cramped armored vehicles and still gives a full powered, long range 5.56 x 45 (such as it is) main battle rifle performance in wide open, long distance combat in places like the Golan or Sinai. It is a very good, reliable rifle for the very diverse combat situations the Israelis find themselves in
The French are dropping the FAMAS F2 *Clarion* bullpup. The Germans have not been happy with the H&K G36, either.
Too heavy for Infantrymen, especially when used in urban MOUT doorkicking. The Tankist crews loved the cutdown Galilon version that replaced the Uzi, though, They have all sorts of ways to break or bend an M16/M4.
The Marines seem to bee pretty happy with their new H&K M27s, essentially an M4 with a conventional gas piston and heavy barrel. And the Mk18 shorty, either Mod 1 or Mod 2 is undeniably handy.
New tube-fed Tavor TS12 bullpup shotgun is kinda neat tho. Triple rotary magazine tubes, 5 rounds each, so 15 + 1 rounds. Bulky AND heavy!
OK, guess i dint think it’d be heavier
given a choice(like there’d be one)think i’d rather pay the weight penalty...
at least in country, they’re never that far from home...
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