Posted on 10/12/2023 7:32:51 AM PDT by 4Runner
Having an argument with the wife, she doesn't want to spend the extra money. Anywhere from $1,000 on up.
Specifically responding to the OP’s scenario of repelling invaders or zombie hordes, the AR will give you more shots and faster reloads.
There are no mag-fed shotguns that I would trust, except maybe a reworked Saiga. Even then, the ten round mags are huge. They dwarf AR 30 rounders.
Shotguns are great for more typical defensive uses. They hit hard, and at shotgun ranges are more effective than 5.56 in shot per shot comparison. I like Beretta 1301 or A300 Patrol shotguns for home defense. They hold 7+1 shots, and reloading is shell by shell. They would be great for clearing rooms, but I’d like a guy with an AR covering me if it was war.
An AR-15 uses a magazine, not a clip.
Yes the Garand uses a clip, but there is a difference, the word are not inter-changable.
Better yet, Aero Precision lower, LaRue Tactical trigger (trust me on this) and just build the rest to your own liking.
The hostile guy kicking at the door.
What gun shall I select?
There have been many discussions on this topic.
People mostly agree that 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buck shots or slugs is the best.
You do not need long range and accuracy in that situation, and in case of single intruder, not even a large magazine.
But just looking into 12 gauge is very scary for any would be attacker. In any way, it makes huge hole in the bad guy body, a lot bigger than the Ar-15!
Additional benefit - you are unlikely to harm any innocent bystanders, as the shotgun reach is not that big!
A lot of guys don’t know that back when the men were all WWII vets and Korean War vets and the young ones were fighting in Vietnam and everyone kept guns on display in the cabinet in their living rooms and hunting was common, we all just called
our magazines “clips”.
Despite what many believe, shotguns have been deemed the best choice for home defense.
I could argue that point with anyone, but there are even die hard gun people who disagree. Pointless to argue with them anyway.
Get both. Let the one who is the best shot keep the AR and the other one the shotgun.
LOLs!
...Magazines and clips are different...
To answer your question, buy both.
You can keep neckbearding it all you want but usage is the key in any language and words DO become different things with that usage. It certainly isn’t something to go pontificating about.
What is it? Thanks.
Palmetto State has great sales if you build your own. When they have regular sales, a upper, a lower, a bcg and a ch total sub-400.
No offense; but, since you used the term “clips” for “magazines,” I am assuming you are new to firearms. Both weapons you suggested are good in certain circumstances w/the correct ammunition/training/tactics. (FYI: BOTH shotgun and AR’s/AK’s ammunition WILL over penetrate and kill/injure an innocent person in the next room/adjacent apartment if you use the wrong type of ammunition ...I've seen the test data.)
Perhaps a 9mm AR-style carbine might be a viable option for you ...you can buy the pistol later! :^)
Shotgun for interior defense. No. 4 buckshot. Get flashlight because they will try to burn you out. MSA mask if in high threat environment. AR15 for community/exterior/perimeter defense. You can put some 00 buck in a side saddle, maybe some slugs if you secure your home and venture out a little of your home. Start patrolling? AR-15 or AR-10 hands down.
Couple thoughts (besides the ‘clip’ thing):
- Head on over to pistol-forum.com under their ammunition section to get some details on behavior of 00 buck vs. .223/556.
- Forget movies; at home distances shotguns miss nearly as easily as rifles.
- Before choosing, first think about your house, its layout, and how one would plan to have the family act to first preserve their lives and then defend them if needed. That will inform you more than internet babble. Similarly consider what you’re expecting to defend against.
- Both choices here have versatility. Shotguns of course can take a variety of shells from slugs to buckshot and even birdshot (not for defense, but for practice). It takes some practice to reload on the fly but can be done quickly. A semi-auto rifle is fairly fixed in its selection but has capacity and ready reloads.
- I’ll further muddy the waters by noting that the cost of a reliable semi-auto rifle has dropped generally, but also that one could invest a little or a lot in a reliable semi-auto shotgun (among others, search up “Beretta 1301 tactical”)
In the end the right choice is both, of course. There are two of you and in extremis you both need to support each other, and having complimentary tools is IMO best (and someone will come along and point out the benefits of compatibility — and don’t forget pistol caliber carbines with compatibility with your selected handguns. Handy.)
I would. I train and know my shotgun pattern and accuracy. As for the wad....who knows, THAT is the only wild card, but a lot less lethal than a tight pattern from a properly tuned and run shotty.
I tend to agree with Bill Burr. “I just want to kill THE GUY. I don’t want to have to do a bunch of drywall work.”
Otherwise, if you just want a new rifle, just go buy it so long as you're spending cash.
What? Your wife is opposed to it? She wants a new sofa instead? Welcome to married life. Be thankful you're only talking about four figures.
I’ve been pondering that myself.
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