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To: 9YearLurker

Yep, that “Correlation-Canada” appears to be another professional looking pseudoscience site.

I notice that the twitter post only linked to that website, but not to any supposed proof of anything. The failure to provide a link to the actual article is, of course, a huge red flag. Professional antivaxxers *never* want anyone to fact-check. It looks like, in this case, Bob didn’t even want the pseudoscience fact-checked.

Overall, this site seems to rely on the “correlation always equals causation” fallacy to make its point. I did find an article there which tries to link vaccines to all-cause mortality. Not to vaccine mortality, but to all-cause mortality. It shows a bunch of graphs of mortality data of different countries. They all show increased mortality when the pandemic showed up. These graphs also show vaccine roll-outs. Then it tries to make a correlation between vaccine roll-out and deaths.

There are multiple problems with this kind of inference in lieu of analysis. For example, the pandemic did not spread equally in all countries. In the US, where quite a number of people travel to and from China, the pandemic arrived fairly early on. Combined with the efforts of professional antivaxxers to redirect people’s fear of the pandemic to fear of countermeasures, cases and deaths in the US rose more rapidly than anywhere else in the world. But in other countries where people do not travel much to or from China, it took longer for the pandemic to arrive. Thus, a chart that shows vaccine rollouts superimposed over when people started dying from the pandemic is meaningless; it only shows that the pandemic started spreading in that country around the same time that vaccines arrived. No conclusion about vaccine safety can be drawn from that.

The only way to know about vaccine safety is through rigorous controlled trials and post-market surveillance. There are plenty of scientists who do those trials and analyze the data. What the scientists say is that the vaccine is comparable in safety to other vaccines, and that the risk of serious adverse events is orders of magnitude lower than the risk of serious adverse outcomes from catching Covid.

I’ve seen a graph that correlates the release of Nicholas Cage movies with increases in suicide. Does that mean that Nicholas Cage movies cause people to suicide? I don’t think so.


8 posted on 11/19/2023 7:32:01 AM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: exDemMom

I watched Left Behind last night and had to call the hotline.


9 posted on 11/19/2023 7:41:16 AM PST by JubJub ( )
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To: exDemMom

It’s futile. Don’t even try. People aren’t interested in logic. Anti vaxxism is a religion here and anything that goes against the narrative is blasphemy and will result in a fatwa against you.


11 posted on 11/19/2023 8:00:58 AM PST by libh8er
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To: exDemMom
The only way to know about vaccine safety is through rigorous controlled trials and post-market surveillance. There are plenty of scientists who do those trials and analyze the data. What the scientists say is that the vaccine is comparable in safety to other vaccines, and that the risk of serious adverse events is orders of magnitude lower than the risk of serious adverse outcomes from catching Covid.

Those scientists are lying. So are you.

12 posted on 11/19/2023 8:03:14 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: exDemMom

exDemOmrom
I have scientists in my family. The one trained in Pharmacology (PhD, and runs a lab at a USA medical school) uses all those fancy words that you use: double-blind, randomized, clinical trials, etc.
But said family member has seen enough science to KNOW that the vaccines are poison and harming people.
So go back and hide under your rock.


19 posted on 11/19/2023 8:45:33 AM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: exDemMom

Your propaganda is showing again.

Rancourt ain’t no pseudoscientist and he’s delivered all the goods on the data, relying only on government death records, you fraud!


30 posted on 11/19/2023 9:58:50 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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