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To: Amadeo

“No taxation without representation.”

Glad you brought this up. A good friend is a history professor at Mt. St. Mary’s college here in MD and we’ve had some good convos about what I often refer to as “The Second American Revolutionary War,” the one the good guys lost.

The south was SECEDING, NOT causing an insurrection until the second round of “shots heard ‘round the world” at Ft. Sumter.

Lincoln didn’t have to provision the island fortress as a direct threat to free trade. He didn’t have to. The intent was clear though. It wasn’t like the feds were expecting a repeat of the war of 1812-15, more like a black powder Berlin Wall to keep Americans INSIDE.

There WERE slave states in the Union - although by 1860, NO republicans owned slaves (US Grant’s wife’s slaves were HERs, dowery, but NOT “his property” proper); not being given a proportional share of federal taxes sounds like an ongoing issue.

Thanks for bringing this out; it’s been beaten nearly to death in years past here (and elsewhere on the innerwebs) and is still worth revisiting - times being what they are.


100 posted on 12/28/2023 6:38:42 AM PST by normbal (normbal. somewhere in socialist occupied America ‘tween MD and TN)
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To: normbal

(US Grant’s wife’s slaves were HERs, dowery, but NOT “his property”

Not the case. Fredrick Dent, Julia’s father never, transferred legal title for those slaves to Julia. When ever she was in Missouri the same 4 slave women would tend to Julia and the Grant household. Dent would not allow those slaves to follow her when she left Missouri. Julia, in here writings often referred to “her slaves”; but in reality, they were on loan from he father while she was in Missouri.


113 posted on 12/28/2023 8:32:31 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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