Posted on 03/02/2024 11:33:06 AM PST by nickcarraway
The customer’s Reddit post asks for advice on how to handle a delivery driver that allegedly let their beliefs prevent them from doing their job
One Uber Eats delivery driver seems to have their personal beliefs interfere with the successful delivery of an order — and now the customer is asking for help in an effort to figure out what went wrong. The problem? The customer ordered Plan B, and their driver refused to deliver it.
The customer posted their ordeal on the r/UberEats subreddit. They say they needed a Plan B bill “on the fly.” It isn’t clear exactly what that means, but it’s also not anyone’s business. Because the buyer was busy, they didn’t have a chance to grab the pill themselves, so they put in an order on Uber Eats for it to be delivered from a local CVS.
The problems started almost as soon as a local delivery person accepted the order, as the customer described in the post:
This guy accepts the order, and he’s on a bike, so it took him about 40 mins just to get to the CVS. Then he sits outside the CVS for an additional 30 minutes, before sending me this message.
They provided a screenshot of the message that the delivery person sent them, and it’s wild. Instead of doing what they had been paid and tipped to do, the person explained why they can’t deliver them Plan B: “...I can not deliver this knowing what it will do.”
What? This person seems to be saying that they think that Plan B is some kind of abortion bill instead of the emergency preventive contraception it really is. Worse yet, the delivery person never even canceled the order —presumably on purpose — so the customer couldn’t connect to another driver to get the order delivered. Sadly, the customer says they’re embarrassed and “a little upset,” and they’re now asking for advice about what they should do.
Some people in the comments told them there’s nothing they should be embarrassed about because, as one person commented, this whole exchange was creepy and uninformed. Another person said that they should file a safety incident with Uber, saying that they were “little creeped out & embarrassed by his unsolicited medical advice and religious chastisement.” This is one I agree with.
In addition to possibly getting this driver booted, no one should be letting their religious beliefs get in the way in a situation like this, especially considering it’s stranger that you’ll likely never see or encounter in life again — one whose life situation you don’t even know.
It should be noted here that Uber Eats policies allow delivery persons “the right to decline any delivery opportunity offered to them.” However, this situation is a bit different; not only did the delivery person refuse the delivery, but they also seemed to block the customer from getting another delivery person by not canceling the order. We reached out to Uber for a comment on the situation and will update when they get back to us.
Yep
“... Sadly, the customer says they’re embarrassed and “a little upset,” and they’re now asking for advice about what they should do.”
She’s Embarrassed?
What ever happened to “Abortion on demand & without apology”?
I thought that was their mantra?
“I just went to a pharmacy myself to pick up something for my wife an hour ago. They ask for the name and birth date of the person you are picking up for. Then they show you the drug(s) you are picking up and ask if you have any questions for the pharmacist.”
True but Plan B is OTC, according to Google:
Plan B is usually the easiest — anyone can buy it over-the-counter without a prescription at most drugstores, pharmacies, and superstores, no matter your age or gender.
It’s not about judging. Christians aren’t supposed to aid in a sin.
Okay, I didn’t realize it. So the driver had to shop for it. Now, I understand.
Would you pick up and deliver an AR-17 to a seventeen year-old boy?
After all, you're "just doing a job".
Because Plan B is OTC and like I said in post 63 anyone can buy it “no matter your age or gender.” One concern with prolifers is who buys it. That is grown ass men buying it for the under age girls they are sleeping with.
Plan B is a good way to hide the crime of rape and incest just has abortion has been in the past.
Hoagy62 I pray you re-think what you are doing.
So, a ten year old can buy Plan B?
It appears some self-professed "christians" compass is "legality", not "morality".
A $6 tip is average for a $17 order? A 35 percent tip? That’s nuts!!
?be assured I I was not all referring to being obliged to work or do anything for me - and certainly do not think you should be obliged to accept any request - for in context this is about the Masterpiece case and I was explaining the events that took place and the legal reasoning at work here, and how that could apply to you.
In which, not knowing much about your business, you would have to explain the difference btwn Masterpiece not being able to legally deny being commissioned to create a special work for the expressed purpose of celebrating a homosexual union, versus if your business was requested to do the same.
It is that simple.
You may not refuse service because in that case you are acting as a seller. If Jack had said they could not buy any cake because they were homosexual that would be indeed a violation of the special protections. I might as well say here that I disagree with that concept but that is neither here or there.
What he did is say he would not make a homosexual wedding cake for them. And that is where all the brewhaha started because if he had stopped there bringing any sort of case before the POSS (perpetually offended special snowflakes) commission would have been very difficult. Because he was a nice guy (and you know what they say about that) he tried to explain why he was turning down the commission. Never explain. Say yes or no and leave it.
But as I said taking a commission is an entirely different animal then being a seller or vendor. By taking a commission you are accepting a contract of employment. You can not be forced to accept employment if you do not wish to do so.
That is what you are failing to see.
I will agree that the SCOTUS punted in that case and in others but the right to refuse to be employed still stands.
Walgreens brought me a prescription as free delivery from Uber Eats. I was surprised when a driver delivered the package. This how they deliver medication.
Your question is correctly, eh, is Walgreens using Uber Eats for delivery?
The anger doesn’t make your point
Without birth control it is back to marriage and family. Waiting for marriage
Men demand birth control. They get to have all the benefits of marriage without getting married.
I’m afraid I do understand that which is why I would never use hormonal birth control
Also because I think constant false hormone level elevations are obviously bad for us.
Some pro lifers say that some versions of the pill somehow don’t do this. I am not sure enough and have never used them. They can’t possibly be good for you anyway.
Just what is the difference btwn accepting a commission and accepting a request and deposit for service, as for custom wedding cakes (which typically cost a lot)?
What he did is say he would not make a homosexual wedding cake for them. And that is where all the brewhaha started because if he had stopped there bringing any sort of case before the POSS (perpetually offended special snowflakes) commission would have been very difficult. Because he was a nice guy (and you know what they say about that) he tried to explain why he was turning down the commission. Never explain. Say yes or no and leave it.
I am sure the offended would have appealed to the Colorado Civil Rights appointees and that they would have concluded that this was a case of discrimination akin to racism, even though in this case protected status is based on feelings.
I will agree that the SCOTUS punted in that case and in others but the right to refuse to be employed still stands.
They did and it should, esp. since the service requested was not only against God's law but the highest law of the state at that time.
There is no difference between what he did and a commission. I have a friend who is also a baker. She was asked to do up a big order for a child beauty contest. She turned it down. Not for religious reasons but because she, like any normal person, finds the sexualization of children disgusting. She did not tell them what she thought of them. She just said no. They tried to argue and were told to go make noise somewhere else. And yeah, that is probably exactly how she put it.
You are not obliged to work for someone if you do not want to. Which he did not argue in court. And he should have.
This is where these cases have gone off the rails. They want to argue first amendment freedom of religion when they should be arguing a 13th amendment violation. I am not obliged to work for you. Not for free. Not if you pay me.
No wanna. No workee. Go 'way.
As I explained, that freedom of refusal of contracted work will not work if the reason for the refusal is due to the party being one of the protected classes (though that can depend upon what state you are in) . And a liberal civil rights commission will be the one to decide what your reason was.
It can be hard to tell when a business has the legal right to remove customers. We’ve all seen the sign, “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” While that’s true, owners do not have the right to refuse service for any reason.Thanks to federal laws like the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act, no state that serves the public can discriminate based on:
Race or color
National origin or citizenship status
Religion or creed
Sex
Age
Disability, pregnancy, or genetic information
Veteran status
On top of federal laws, state laws often cover more groups in their discrimination laws. For example, California also covers:
Marital status
Sexual orientation or gender identity
Medical condition, or AIDS/HIV status
Military or veteran status
Political affiliations or activities
Primary language
Immigration status
Status as a victim of assault, domestic violence, or stalking - https://huckleberry.com/blog/right-to-refuse-service/
And since ideology (esp.conservatives) does not qualify one to be a protected class (though, as with homosexuality, it is a mindset, and feeling), then in some states a restaurant can refuse to serve such. But not due to race, color, etc. - and sexual orientation.
A Virginia restaurant’s decision not to serve White House press secretary Sarah Sanders raises a major question: Can businesses serving the public legally do that? ... Brian Powell, a sociology professor at Indiana University Bloomington, says you cannot compare this case to Sanders’ incident because sexual orientation is a protected status in some states while political viewpoints are not. - https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/us/when-businesses-can-deny-you-service-trnd/index.html
I obviously support Masterpiece being able refuse to agree to commissioned work on moral grounds.
Yes, it does.
There is a difference between contract work and service and you keep putting them together when they are not the same thing at all.
Not legally. Not in reality. And that is why SCOTUS said they had overstepped.
If an Asian-African transsexual polyamerous dwarf with AIDS, acne and a limp asks me to take a contract, I am not obliged to do so.
I am obliged to accept employment from no one.
Now if I am so stupid as to tell he or she that the limp really grosses me out he or she can try to sue me. And eventually lose.
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