Posted on 04/22/2024 8:51:43 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
I urgently prompted my Dr. for more than 1 year for prevention and treatment protocols for possibly imminent, high lethality viruses. She's a good Dr. but her training gets in the way of giving a straight answer. The following very simple elements use 1) an inexpensive Dr. Z. protocol, 2) saline and very dilute hydrogen peroxide administered via home nebulizer, and 3) low-dose lithium from Dr. Michael Nehls.
The protocol of the late Dr. Zev Zelenko, with which he suffered only 1 demise among 7,000 patients, uses Vitamin D, zinc, quercetin to substitute for hydroxychloroquine (generally unavailable because prescription only) to allow the zinc to be assimilated, and Vitamin C to make quercetin to work. (So, Vitamin C to Quercetin to Zinc.)
HCQ is prescription based only. Dr. Zelenko recommends Quercetin as an over-the-counter alternative. It is a plant derivative that does essentially the same thing as HCQ and is readily available. Quercetin, like HCQ, is a zinc ionophore which allows a rapid increase in intracellular zinc levels. It also enhances vitamin transportation to the cells. Vitamin C is a required cofactor for Quercetin to work. Vitamin D helps our immune systems to stay balanced.
Common home Nebulizer ($30-$40) as shown at Amazon, for administration into the Naso-Pharyngeal area of Saline and very dilute Peroxide. (CAUTION: Very exact dilution of the Peroxide is essential. Many people are used to saline nose wash. But failure to properly dilute the Peroxide can cause grave illness.)
Dr. Michael Nehls argues persuasively that, in addition to Vitamin D, low dose lithium, 1mg-5mg, is essential for good health of the hippocampus, for establishing new nerve cells so our store of auto-biographical memories aren't overwritten--we could forget what we used to know, and how we came to know it--and Alzheimer's avoidance. https://michaelnehls.substack.com/p/lithium-the-essential-trace-element
The only missing part of the protocol is prescription-only Azithromycin (take two 250 mg tablets by mouth on day 1, then take one 250 mg tablet by mouth daily on days 2 through 5). A group called the Wellness Company does website driven remote prescriptions, but only with a rather pricey kit at about $300.
She is a shill.
She made a big show of supposedly being in a first-name basis with Dr. Malone, but she only did a short stint in his lab, years and years ago, while a grad student.
I got the impression it was a “try before you buy” where students would work with different mentors before choosing a thesis advisor.
She also tried to prove the scientific basis for the six foot separation rule, using an early paper from (IIRC) the 1920s, even after one of the top government officials who helped formulate the rule, admitted in public that they really just pulled the number of feet out of their ass.
Narrative uber alles (can’t get my phone to type an umlaut...)
Well, I don't know about that. After consulting with my cardiologist, I opted to wait on the COVID-19 vaccination.
But rabies? You're darn right I get vaccinated (PrEP, specifically Rabavert)! With a disease that is 99.99% fatal once clinical symptoms present, I don't like that percentage!
The advantage of using Pubmed is that only legitimate medical and scientific journals are catalogued there.
Sure, I can search the internet and find all kinds of stuff claiming miracle cures for anything. But if it's not published in the accepted medical literature, I take it with a huge grain of salt.
So, let's take a look at the paper you found, "The Anti-Cytokine Storm Activity of Quercetin Zinc and Vitamin C Complex" PMID: 35721668.
This was a study in mice. That's all. The biology of mice is different than humans, meaning that we cannot simply extrapolate the results of mouse studies to humans. Before we can even test a drug in humans, we generally do studies in more than one animal species, from fish to rodents to rabbits to non-human primates. And only if we see the desired results in all of those animals, we move on to human studies. And even then, no matter how promising the animal studies were, the results might not pan out in humans.
Who said 'all the indoor air is filtered'? No one.
Ah, you read into my words something that I did not say. I never said that all indoor air is filtered. I said that if you want to avoid catching an airborne pathogen, you would have to stay inside where the air is filtered. Obviously, staying inside where the air isn't filtered won't help. The air should be filtered through HEPA filters, although I did not state that previously.
We all watched the vaccinated get Covid again and again and again - you're one of the few who are still trying to claim the 'vaccine' will prevent infection.
Let's try to understand how the immune system works. If someone who is vaccinated keeps catching Covid over and over, it means that their immune system is impaired. A vaccine is not a shield, it is a training program to teach the immune system how to respond to the pathogen without actually being exposed to it. I'm fully vaccinated and had the experience of driving a laboratory-confirmed Covid patient to the doctor then to the pharmacy. So, there I was, in a confined space with a symptomatic Covid patient. And I did not catch Covid. I tested myself twice. Nope, no Covid. My immune system learns very well from vaccines.
They don't need to be the same or even similar. Quercetin and Zinc work together well to mitigate Cytokine storm and other aspects of illness, and improve absorption of Zinc.
Only in mice. And quercetin and (H)CQ are different enough to tell me that they do not interact with the same targets. Look at those structures. The CQ has a chlorine side group, which is negatively charged, but it contains three nitrogens that are positively charged. Thus, it has an overall positive +2 charge. The addition of the hydroxy group to make HCQ reduces the charge to +1 and makes it more water soluble. On the other hand, the quercetin has five hydroxy groups and two other oxygen atoms, giving it an overall negative charge of -7. Chemically, those negative charges mean that it cannot interact with the same targets that the positively charged (H)CQ interacts with. And if they are not interacting with the same targets, they are not interchangeable.
SOME zinc is not absorbed by SOME cells
Nope. Zinc is a necessary ion for all cells. There is no need to take any supplements to increase zinc uptake, since all cells will transport it inside when they need it.
ALL OF THE ANIMAL STUDIES OF THE mRNA platform 'didn't pan out' because the animals sickened/died.
Um, animal studies of mRNA vaccines did not cause the animals to die. All living things contain mRNA, so the suggestion that it is somehow toxic is nonsensical.
Furthermore, if an experimental drug proves toxic in animals, the FDA won't allow testing in humans. We had a rabbit die after dosing it with our experimental drug. The FDA would not allow us to continue development on that drug until we could explain to them how the rabbit died and could assure the FDA that the problem was due to rabbit physiology and does not apply to humans. Our development effort was set back at least six months and tens of thousands of dollars because of that rabbit death.
But you're here pushing an experimental an inadequately test gene therapy. I say that because the FTC filing for the Covid 'vaccines' stated that these were gene therapy but would be allowed to be marketed as 'vaccines' in order to avoid 'vaccine hesitancy'.
I cannot find any verification of this. If you have a link to the FTC filing, post it. Scientifically, an mRNA vaccine cannot be a gene therapy agent because it does not interact with or alter DNA. In order for something to be classed as gene therapy, it must either be made of DNA or interact with DNA in such a way as to alter the DNA.
It is unfortunate that people understand so little of molecular biology that they don't even know that RNA and DNA are different and have different properties. If only people understood that, no one would believe the lie that mRNA is a gene therapy.
I don't know if anyone ever told you, but Vitamin D is commonly sold in unit of 5,000 U. Seems like you need to rush around and tell the industry not to sell those supplements. You should probably tell the public that if they follow your toxic advice and stay indoors to avoid exposure, they won't get enough sunlight to produce Vitamin D- just a thought.
Lots of vitamins are sold in doses that are far higher than the actual daily requirement. The research is only beginning in the area of effects of consuming mega quantities of necessary vitamins. The FDA does not usually step in to control the quantities of vitamins and minerals in supplements until there is a large body of evidence to warrant such control.
The concept of getting sunlight to induce vitamin D production is a bit problematic. The UV in sunlight directly damages DNA, and this DNA damage can eventually lead to carcinogenesis. So, a fair-skinned person who avoids sun exposure because of concerns about skin cancer might not be able to get enough vitamin D. The latitude also matters (a lot) since people in northern latitudes might not be able to get sufficient vitamin D through sun exposure alone. The only safe way to supplement vitamin D is through monitoring of blood serum vitamin D levels. When I moved from Maryland to Texas, my serum levels of vitamin D shot up and I had to cut back on the supplements.
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I don't do internet searches for medical literature. I use Pubmed (www.pubmed.gov), which is a database containing citations, usually along with abstracts, and sometimes with the full text of the article. Yes. I use Pubmed too. But for the article I found via the internet search, it was a pubmed article. Pubmed's search engine is so poor I wasn't able to find documents I wanted until I searched the Internet for pubmed articles. The advantage of using Pubmed is that only legitimate medical and scientific journals are catalogued there. You pharmas have to get your stories straight. WHen I posted a pubmed article from a doctor saying that the pharmas had not provided informed consent to their trial patients for the Covid 'vax', the trolls whinged that Pubmed lets any old yahoo post whatever they want. I knew they were lying, but I'm pointing to a lack of consistency in your pharma disinformation ranks. Sure, I can search the internet and find all kinds of stuff claiming miracle cures for anything. But if it's not published in the accepted medical literature, I take it with a huge grain of salt. So, let's take a look at the paper you found, "The Anti-Cytokine Storm Activity of Quercetin Zinc and Vitamin C Complex" PMID: 35721668. I'm wondering if you know the 'PMID' in the article of mine you cite is its PubMed identifier, because it's a PubMed article? This was a study in mice. That's all. The biology of mice is different than humans, meaning that we cannot simply extrapolate the results of mouse studies to humans. And yet I don't recall you complaining when the Covid bivalent vax was tested on 6 mice. I guess it's time for you to pretend that medicine just never tests on mice? You know, all the animals tested with the mRNA platform in the run-up to the plandemic sickened and died after being vaxxed and then exposed to the virus being tested. Their immune systems overheated - cytokine storm. Why do your scientific requirements vary so much? It's like you only criticize content that exposes the lies of Fauci, vax adverse events, lack of efficacy etc. and turn a blind eye to all of medicine testing on mice (bivalent Covid vax) or failing to pass animal trials until the vax is rolled out worldwide. Before we can even test a drug in humans, we generally do studies in more than one animal species, from fish to rodents to rabbits to non-human primates. And only if we see the desired results in all of those animals, we move on to human studies. And even then, no matter how promising the animal studies were, the results might not pan out in humans. 'Scientists' and 'pharmas' were not deterred when the various species of animals tested with the mRNA platform (upon which Covid 'vaccines' are based) prior to Covid sickened and died, meaning the mRNA platform never made it to human trials until actively injected during a PCR-is-FAKE-TEST plandemic. Who said 'all the indoor air is filtered'? No one. Ah, you read into my words something that I did not say. I never said that all indoor air is filtered. I said that if you want to avoid catching an airborne pathogen, you would have to stay inside where the air is filtered. Obviously, staying inside where the air isn't filtered won't help. The air should be filtered through HEPA filters, although I did not state that previously. That's a pathetically weak dodge. Lockdowns happened without a single mention of 'filtered' air; people were confronted if they didn't stay indoors or had limited access to outdoors. You just throw stuff against the wall and make up stupid deflections if questioned. We all watched the vaccinated get Covid again and again and again - you're one of the few who are still trying to claim the 'vaccine' will prevent infection. Let's try to understand how the immune system works. I already understood it long ago - you should have studied up before you began pharma trolling the Covid plandemic. If someone who is vaccinated keeps catching Covid over and over, it means that their immune system is impaired. False, Sherlock. Science doesn't work that way. Science doesn't say, "well the experimental vaccine tested for a few weeks must work so therefore this is proof the patient's immune system is defective here."
The CDC became aware that the public was getting reinfections and hurriedly changed the definition of 'vaccine' online (seriously) to mean vaccines 'help' you not become as ill. Our elites were claiming to catch Covid 'over and over' and they didn't say 'oh my immune system is impaired' they said, "I'm so glad I had the vaccine or this would be so much worse'. Were you just out of the country when the reports came out showing the Covid 'vaccines' were never tested for 'infectivity' or prevention? Yeah - never tested for that. Then BMJ's Peter Doshi noticed that Pfizer just ignored data that showed the vaccines were not nearly as effective as claimed - it really wouldn't have earned Pfizer the EUA if the actual trial data was published to begin with - I think it was 18% effective over a period of weeks, which says nothing about the vax effectiveness over months - that was never tested. A vaccine is not a shield, it is a training program to teach the immune system how to respond to the pathogen without actually being exposed to it. 'Vaccines' used to be defined as prevention until the Covid vax failed on a global scale and then the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine to more of a 'training program'. But that idea is trash too - because the Covid 'vaccine' is based on a 'related corona virus'. That's right - the Chinese developed a computer model of the Covid virus because they said isolated samples of the Covid virus were 'unavailable.' Yeah, and even though the medical regime lied when it said the Covid virus was classified as 'novel' and therefore none of us would have any immunity to it, they memory holed that false claim when they said they based the PCR, and the model of the Covid Virus, and hence the Covid vaccines, not on the actual 'unavailable' Covid virus, but instead on the related corona virus they said didn't exist (had Covid really been a 'novel' virus). The Covid 'vax' training program is based on failed toxic logic. The spike protein 'trains' the body to attack spike proteins which are distributed throughout the body of a vaxxed person. Then some patients experience autoimmune illnesses as a result of the body attacking spikes on vital organ tissues. I'm fully vaccinated and had the experience of driving a laboratory-confirmed Covid patient to the doctor then to the pharmacy. HINT - the laboratory confirmed means nothing since the PCR assay was not based on the actual Covid virus, but on a 'related corona virus'. WHo knows what your 'patient' actually had, if anything. So, there I was, in a confined space with a symptomatic Covid patient. And I did not catch Covid. I tested myself twice. Nope, no Covid. My immune system learns very well from vaccines. Means nothing except your understanding of science is tremendously poor. Covid was not a 'novel virus'. Dr. Yeadon explained that a researcher tested original SARS patients with SARS again, over a decade later, and the patients' immunity held - they did not get SARS. That researcher then tested the former SARS patients with 'Covid' and they did not become ill. We don't have to be exposed to every single virus - the SARS and Covid viruses (whatever was being called Covid with a fake PCR) had enough in common for the patients to resist intentional exposure to 'Covid'. Corona viruses are so common that most of us have had exposure to them at one time or other in our lives. That's how immunity functions. Many people were exposed to Covid and never became ill. The fake 6ft zone and masking didn't help - people really were exposed and many didn't become ill, BEFORE the 'vaccine'. Who knows what your immune system has learned and WHEN it learned it, and from whom. There's zero proof the 'vaccine' protected you - if you understand what proof is, of course. They don't need to be the same or even similar. Quercetin and Zinc work together well to mitigate Cytokine storm and other aspects of illness, and improve absorption of Zinc. Only in mice. And quercetin and (H)CQ are different enough to tell me that they do not interact with the same targets. Look at those structures. The CQ has a chlorine side group, which is negatively charged, but it contains three nitrogens that are positively charged. Thus, it has an overall positive +2 charge. The addition of the hydroxy group to make HCQ reduces the charge to +1 and makes it more water soluble. On the other hand, the quercetin has five hydroxy groups and two other oxygen atoms, giving it an overall negative charge of -7. Chemically, those negative charges mean that it cannot interact with the same targets that the positively charged (H)CQ interacts with. And if they are not interacting with the same targets, they are not interchangeable. That's ridiculous - you really are claiming if the structure of the molecules are different, then the wealth of studies indicating better zinc uptake resulting from Quercetin WITH Zinc are wrong. All that people are saying is Quercetin helps increase zinc uptake. You have zero credentials sitting next to your anonymous screen name, and those like Zelensky effectively treating seriously ill patients put their names and reputations next to their words. The combination of ZINC and Quercetin was safely tested on patients throughout the Covid plandemic and it worked. Human testing was safe and it worked. SOME zinc is not absorbed by SOME cells Nope. Zinc is a necessary ion for all cells. There is no need to take any supplements to increase zinc uptake, since all cells will transport it inside when they need it. Zinc uptake in foods is relatively low and therefore many benefit from supplementation. Quercetin helps zinc uptake per blood testing. Patients are tested for zinc, read low, given Quercetin alongside zinc and later zinc levels read 'in the zone'. This is among the easiest supplementation protocols to understand, but you pretend that Querceitin has to have the same molecular structure as HCQ or people shouldn't take it. Zinc levels had a significant impact on patient health, whether you like it or not. ALL OF THE ANIMAL STUDIES OF THE mRNA platform 'didn't pan out' because the animals sickened/died. Um, animal studies of mRNA vaccines did not cause the animals to die. All living things contain mRNA, so the suggestion that it is somehow toxic is nonsensical. Let me try to simplify this for you since you are ignoring the word 'platform', in my phrase 'mRNA platform'. mRNA platform refers to the mRNA 'vaccine' development which I read up on starting with the late 1999's to early 2000's. That mRNA platform always failed miserably, with test animals sickening and exhibiting ADE and cytokine storm. The animals never survived to the point that the mRNA platform could ever be tested on people, until the failed mRNA platform was utilized for the Covid 'plandemic' in progress. That mRNA PLATFORM pleased Fauci so much he said that all vaccines going forward would be based on the mRNA PLATFORM. Furthermore, if an experimental drug proves toxic in animals, the FDA won't allow testing in humans. We had a rabbit die after dosing it with our experimental drug. The FDA would not allow us to continue development on that drug until we could explain to them how the rabbit died and could assure the FDA that the problem was due to rabbit physiology and does not apply to humans. Our development effort was set back at least six months and tens of thousands of dollars because of that rabbit death. And you have no problem with the fact that mRNA PLATFORM 'vaccines' were tested for years and never made it past animal trials until Covid. The fact that the bivalent Covid 'vaccine' was tested only on 6 mice before administration is fine in your book. But you're here pushing an experimental an inadequately test gene therapy. I say that because the FTC filing for the Covid 'vaccines' stated that these were gene therapy but would be allowed to be marketed as 'vaccines' in order to avoid 'vaccine hesitancy'. I cannot find any verification of this. If you have a link to the FTC filing, post it. Scientifically, an mRNA vaccine cannot be a gene therapy agent because it does not interact with or alter DNA. In order for something to be classed as gene therapy, it must either be made of DNA or interact with DNA in such a way as to alter the DNA. Experts Discover Over 200Billion DNA Fragments in a Single Dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 mRNA VaccineScientists STUNNED by First Proofs of Contaminated DNA Getting Absorbed into Human Cells –“Sunak Better Watch Out” says Dr BhakdiSV40, a DNA Altering, Carcinogenic Contaminant, found in Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccines#PlasmidGate: Biotechnician raises plasmid DNA contamination in covid injections during Austrian TV talk showIt is unfortunate that people understand so little of molecular biology that they don't even know that RNA and DNA are different and have different properties. If only people understood that, no one would believe the lie that mRNA is a gene therapy. We understand they are different and have different properties. Moderna said the mRNA PLATFORM was gene therapy in its quarterly report here:
The FDA knew the Covid 'vaccines' were gene therapy:
Great article at the link: https://dailyclout.io/report-95-mrna-covid-19-shots-vaccines-or-gene-therapy-products-part-1/ I don't know if anyone ever told you, but Vitamin D is commonly sold in unit of 5,000 U. Seems like you need to rush around and tell the industry not to sell those supplements. You should probably tell the public that if they follow your toxic advice and stay indoors to avoid exposure, they won't get enough sunlight to produce Vitamin D- just a thought. Lots of vitamins are sold in doses that are far higher than the actual daily requirement. The research is only beginning in the area of effects of consuming mega quantities of necessary vitamins. The FDA does not usually step in to control the quantities of vitamins and minerals in supplements until there is a large body of evidence to warrant such control. The concept of getting sunlight to induce vitamin D production is a bit problematic. The UV in sunlight directly damages DNA, and this DNA damage can eventually lead to carcinogenesis. So, a fair-skinned person who avoids sun exposure because of concerns about skin cancer might not be able to get enough vitamin D. The latitude also matters (a lot) since people in northern latitudes might not be able to get sufficient vitamin D through sun exposure alone. The only safe way to supplement vitamin D is through monitoring of blood serum vitamin D levels. When I moved from Maryland to Texas, my serum levels of vitamin D shot up and I had to cut back on the supplements. Supplementation with Zinc and Quercetin proved to be safe and effective throughout the plandemic unlike the heavily propagandized alternatives. |
Nicely done.
That democrat mother was so out there it was like she was from late 2019 and hadn’t learned a damn thing during this whole covid assault/crime.
Crap, crap, crap.
Nothing but a load of crap.
This thread is not for you and your crap. No one wants you here or to read your crap.
Isn't it funny how the real science remains consistent over time, even though I use a variety of sources from the medical literature? This is one way in which people can tell whether they are getting information from the scientific community or from charlatans: charlatans change their story as needed to fit the narrative, and their claims are mostly not consistent with each other. For example, charlatans who began spreading misinformation before the WHO declared a pandemic claimed in the beginning that the physical measures used to control disease spread are dangerous and don't work and that the only sure way would be to get everyone vaccinated. Then, as soon as it looked like vaccines were about to be available, they did a big about-face and started talking about how dangerous and ineffective vaccines are.
You pharmas have to get your stories straight. WHen I posted a pubmed article from a doctor saying that the pharmas had not provided informed consent to their trial patients for the Covid 'vax', the trolls whinged that Pubmed lets any old yahoo post whatever they want. I knew they were lying, but I'm pointing to a lack of consistency in your pharma disinformation ranks.
Really? Where is this reference? Legally, a clinical trial in humans cannot be performed unless the volunteer participants have been fully briefed and signed forms indicating that they understand the purpose and the risks of the trial.
Also, "you pharmas"????? Lol. I have never worked for a pharmaceutical company. But, somehow, I'm a shill for them because I keep defending the science. I couldn't help but notice that you have accused me both of being consistent and of not having a straight story. Can't be both.
I'm wondering if you know the 'PMID' in the article of mine you cite is its PubMed identifier, because it's a PubMed article?
Um... the fact that I provided an analysis of the paper itself, an analysis that I could only perform by reading the original paper, should be a clue to you that I know what PMID is.
Seriously, would you, personally, be willing to take a prototype drug or drug combo based only on the results of a study of 30 mice, with no other animal or human testing? 'Scientists' and 'pharmas' were not deterred when the various species of animals tested with the mRNA platform (upon which Covid 'vaccines' are based) prior to Covid sickened and died, meaning the mRNA platform never made it to human trials until actively injected during a PCR-is-FAKE-TEST plandemic.
I'm sorry, but your claim that PCR is fake is an absolute giveaway that you have no clue about anything molecular biology. I've designed and performed thousands of PCR experiments--you have a pretty tough hill to climb to demonstrate adequately to me that PCR is fake.
As for the claims that mRNA is lethal to animals, yet the FDA allowed mRNA based drugs to proceed to human trials anyway--these claims are made to convince a target audience who knows nothing of science or of the regulatory environment that scientists have to work within. Do I need to repeat the story of how a single rabbit death halted our early drug development effort for six months until we could explain to the FDA's satisfaction that whatever killed the rabbit doesn't happen in humans?
That's a pathetically weak dodge. Lockdowns happened without a single mention of 'filtered' air; people were confronted if they didn't stay indoors or had limited access to outdoors. You just throw stuff against the wall and make up stupid deflections if questioned.
Was I talking about the lockdowns? I don't recall doing so. What I said was that the only surefire way to avoid exposure to a respiratory virus is to isolate indoors where the air is filtered. (HEPA filtration.) Staying indoors where unfiltered/unsanitized air enters from the outside won't stop virus transmission.
False, Sherlock. Science doesn't work that way. Science doesn't say, "well the experimental vaccine tested for a few weeks must work so therefore this is proof the patient's immune system is defective here."
How do you know how science works? Have you ever developed a hypothesis and designed an experiment to test it? I don't think so.
What I said was a general statement of ALL vaccines. No vaccine in existence can restore immune function to someone who doesn't have it. Remember, Colin Powell was fully vaccinated against Covid but it did nothing since his immune system was completely destroyed by his cancer and the treatment. All vaccines vary in efficacy because people's immune systems are variable. The antivax trope that a vaccine isn't "real" unless it protects everyone 100% from catching the disease places an unrealistically high expectation on vaccines. No drug works the same way in everyone. You take oxycodone and your pain goes away. I take oxycodone and get a horrible headache. Different people. Different responses.
The CDC became aware that the public was getting reinfections and hurriedly changed the definition of 'vaccine' online (seriously) to mean vaccines 'help' you not become as ill.
That's just a reiteration of the antivax trope that all vaccines should be 100% effective in 100% of recipients. I suspect it came directly from an antivax site, and is meant for consumption by people who understand nothing of immunology or infectious disease. What is a definition, anyway? It's just words. Revising the words to better explain the biological process of immunity does not constitute a change in how the immune system functions when exposed to a vaccine. When I describe a vaccine, I do not use or care about definitions. I do my best to explain the biological process. I have said it before: most vaccines do not contain pieces of pathogens at all. Most vaccines are made for the purpose of stimulating antibody production against a variety of proteins, since antibodies have many uses in research. The vast majority of vaccines are not intended for medical use.
The Covid 'vax' training program is based on failed toxic logic. The spike protein 'trains' the body to attack spike proteins which are distributed throughout the body of a vaxxed person. Then some patients experience autoimmune illnesses as a result of the body attacking spikes on vital organ tissues.
Oh my goodness. This is a pure antivax lie. Spike protein is a viral protein. Mammals do not produce it unless the mRNA for it is present. The mRNA encoding spike can only be present if a person has been recently vaccinated or has an active Covid infection. mRNA itself has a half-life of hours; spike mRNA is no different.
Moderna said the mRNA PLATFORM was gene therapy in its quarterly report here:
So, a lawyer's interpretation of the FDA regulations now means that the FDA considers mRNA a "gene therapy", despite the fact that mRNA does not interact with DNA or even enter the cellular compartments where the DNA is stored. Nope, that's not how it works.
Here is the FDA's definition of gene therapy: What is Gene Therapy? And a list of gene therapies: Approved Cellular and Gene Therapy Products. Do you see any vaccine listed among those products?
Finally, the FDA has a body of regulations on gene therapy. Cellular & Gene Therapy Guidances
I'll leave it up to you to peruse the various regulations and learn what a gene therapy actually is. Hint: a gene therapy uses DNA, not RNA.
We understand they are different and have different properties.
If you understand that DNA and RNA are different, with different chemical properties and different functions, then why do you keep talking about mRNA as if it somehow affects DNA? If you really understood that difference, you would never say such a thing.
HINT - the laboratory confirmed means nothing since the PCR assay was not based on the actual Covid virus, but on a 'related corona virus'. WHo knows what your 'patient' actually had, if anything.
Again, the demonstration of complete lack of understanding of what PCR is and how it functions.
You don't need a virus to develop a PCR assay against it. You only need its sequence. There are thousands of SARS-CoV-2 sequences available. As I said above, I've designed hundreds of PCR assays. Never, in the process of designing one of those assays, did I use any biological material. In fact, I designed all of my PCR experiments using computers. No biological material is used until after the experiment is designed and all reagents and primers ordered. At that point, the use of the PCR is to determine whether the target nucleic acid is present in the sample. PCR is one of the most specific and sensitive assays in existence.
May I respectfully suggest that if you truly want to debunk me, stick with the original regulatory or scientific sources. I don't want to read screeds lifted from antivax sites.
Ah, you again. Trying to use your lack of knowledge about graduate school culture to discredit what I said about Bob Malone actually being a credible scientist up until the pandemic hit and he decided to become a charlatan.
Thank you very much for the validation. When people resort to ad hominem attacks and personal insults, they are admitting that they have no factual basis on which to refute the information that I posted.
I provide links to credible scientific (and sometimes regulatory) sources for the use of anyone who wants to debunk me. So far, no one has been able to do so.
No human being who can read can be that ignorant. Maybe she’s paid.
You may not have been around for the Daily Expose article that claimed that the Covid virus doesn’t exist at all. Some antivax genius posted that article here. I wonder who it was.
The illness and deaths, you see, resulted from “fake vaccines” that were secretly administered to everyone before “the Plandemic” began.
This may have been peak conspiracy idiocy from a source that never disappoints. And don’t ask how “fake vaccines” were given to everyone before 2020 without anyone remembering a mass vaccination event. Don’t question the story!
The Daily Expose is put out by a bunch of English poseurs, and this particular fantasy reads like the ravings of David Icke, who also believes in interdimensional lizard people. Not kidding.
Donald Trump, btw, still believes in the efficacy of the Covid vaccines. Trump, vs the Gnostic Lizard People of The Daily Expose.
Re: 46 - but if she’s not breaking FR rules, then there’s nothing, and I mean nothing - that you can do about it.
I don't think I've seen that article, but I have seen that claim many times now.
There was a really good rebuttal posted on Quora concerning that. Someone described in great detail all the steps that he personally took to extract RNA from SARS-CoV-2, reverse transcribe it, and analyze it using PCR and Sanger sequencing. As he pointed out, these techniques would be impossible if the virus did not exist.
That’s funny. I’m not the one who stooped to personal insults and borderline swearing, but you’re telling the person who did exactly that that there is nothing they can do about me, since I didn’t break FR rules? Is that what you meant to do?
My response was pertaining to remarks that you should not post to and leave the thread.
It’s not his call or anyone’s call except management.
I don’t agree with some of what you post, but shutting down reasonable discussion does no one any favors.
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I see.
I try to stay above personal insults and so forth, but sometimes, the temptation to respond to them sometimes gets the better of me.
I didn’t read your latest screed because your prior screed was distorted, ignorant retread arguments you’ve used over and over again.
I think you’re either getting paid by the word, so recycling is cost effective, and/or you are running a distraction campaign - soaking up people’s time to draw attention from other hot topics. What is it you are distracting from? Nah, don’t answer- it would just be more of your retread distortions.
Isn’t it funny how my “retread arguments” are all solidly referenced within the medical/scientific literature?
Let me be perfectly clear: I do this because the belief in antivax rhetoric not only kills those who believe it, it kills others. It kills people whose immune systems are so dysfunctional that they must depend on everyone else to be vaccinated in order to be protected.
There is almost nothing new about Covid vaccine misinformation. A lot of the antivax rhetoric has barely changed since the first antivaxxers first appeared in the early 1800s soon after the smallpox vaccine became available. Then and now, antivaxxers have one goal: to make more people die.
I wish I was paid for this. I’m just retired, and I feel very strongly about combatting medical misinformation. I do have to wonder, are you projecting your situation on me? Are you one of the many paid trolls who spreads misinformation?
tldr
you aren’t worth it
we’ve seen everything from you before and it was bad
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