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To: daniel1212
Or denying that the The Yarovaya law does just that.

I certainly didn't deny it existed. In fact, I proved previously that law didn't equate what you and propagandists in the Western media claim it did.

So, answer the following questions:

Do evangelical churches exist in Russia?

Are Russian citizens allowed to freely attend evangelical churches?

Do evangelical churches in Russia have websites making Russian citizens aware of their existence?

Are evangelicals across Russia traveling and gathering to meet in large cities like St. Petersburg?

The answer is yes to all those questions. And, this proof that your claim about the Yarovaya law is nonsense.

And, I posted this before to refute your nonsense and got no reply back:

https://orthochristian.com/95503.html

TASS describes in more detail just what religious activities are effected by the laws:

“A separate block of corrections [to the bill approved by the Duma on June 24] defines what ‘missionary activity’ is and forbids it to be carried out by religious communities with aims that contradict the law.>B> The document also contains a ban on missionary activities aimed at disrupting social safety and order, extremist actions, forcing adherents to break up families, and intrusion upon the personality, rights, and freedom of citizens.

“Also forbidden is missionary activity aimed at inclining people towards suicide, obstructing the reception of compulsory education, inducing citizens to refuse to fulfill their civil duty as established by law.

Actually, what the law appears to be designed to prevent is the Western perversion of Christianity that would advance the LGBT agenda or undermine the Russian government (which Western intelligence groups and NGOs regularly attempt to do)>

80 posted on 05/10/2024 4:23:46 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
I certainly didn't deny it existed. In fact, I proved previously that law didn't equate what you and propagandists in the Western media claim it did.

Wrong. You did not and do not proved what I stated, and instead you are engaging in sophistry, misrepresenting my well-substantiated argument, that the Yarovaya law outlaws evangelical acting like evangelical should in freely evangelizing others, like I can still do in public places here, and seeking to convert others, apart from the unscriptural state church sanction. . Which has resulted in persecution, even if political aspects are often employed to justify it.

Thus your recourse is to red herrings. To wit:

Answer the following questions: Do evangelical churches exist in Russia? Are Russian citizens allowed to freely attend evangelical churches? Do evangelical churches in Russia have websites making Russian citizens aware of their existence? Are evangelicals across Russia traveling and gathering to meet in large cities like St. Petersburg?

Answer the following questions:

Where did I argue that:

evangelical churches did not exist in Russia?

Russian citizens are not allowed to freely attend evangelical churches? (with exceptions)?

evangelical churches in Russia do not have websites making Russian citizens aware of their existence?

evangelicals cannot across Russia traveling and gathering to meet in large cities like St. Petersburg?

Does this mean that evangelicals are not often persecuted in the West as well as in Russia?

The answer is NO to all those questions. And, this is proof that you are misrepresenting my claim about the Yarovaya law!

“A separate block of corrections “A separate block of corrections [to the bill approved by the Duma on June 24] defines what ‘missionary activity’ is and forbids it to be carried out by religious communities with aims that contradict the law.>B> The document also contains a ban on missionary activities aimed at disrupting social safety and order, extremist actions, forcing adherents to break up families, and intrusion upon the personality, rights, and freedom of citizens.

Stop with the attempted diversions and crafty language. It is not legitimate aspects that are issue, but forbidding evangelism, and a state church that is that main issue. Yet even "disrupting social safety" and "intrusion upon the personality" can be used to outlaw conversions, and broadly:

The Yarovaya law (in Russian: Закон Яровой, transliteration: Zakon Jarovoy), also Yarovaya package or Yarovaya — Ozerov package is a set of two Russian federal bills, 374-FZ and 375-FZ, passed in 2016.[1]

The Yarovaya laws at issue forbid Missionary work, defined as defined in as broad a way as possible: “Missionary activity … is defined as activity of a religious association intended to spread information about its doctrines among people who are not participants (members, followers) of the particular religious association, with the goal of drawing those people into the group of participants (members, followers) of the religious association, carried out directly by the religious association or by citizens by the association or by legal entities, publicly, by means of the media, the information-telecommunication network “Internet”, or by other legal methods.”

Such broadly applies to

The activity of a religious association, aimed at disseminating information about its beliefs among people who are not participants (members, followers) in that religious association, with the purpose of involving these people as participants (members, followers). It is carried out directly by religious associations or by citizens and/or legal entities authorised by them, publicly, with the help of the media, the internet or other lawful means"...Citizens are also required to report unauthorized religious activity to the government or face fines.

https://motabredsquare.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/missionary-work-after-the-yarovaya-laws-part-ii-legal-analysis/: The bulk of the effect of this legislation on missionary work concerns the addition of a large section dedicated specifically to missionary work to the federal code concerning the freedom of conscience.

Missionary work is defined in as broad a way as possible: “Missionary activity … is defined as activity of a religious association intended to spread information about its doctrines among people who are not participants (members, followers) of the particular religious association, with the goal of drawing those people into the group of participants (members, followers) of the religious association, carried out directly by the religious association or by citizens by the association or by legal entities, publicly, by means of the media, the information-telecommunication network “Internet”, or by other legal methods.”

Missionary activity thus defined is allowed “without restriction” in buildings owned by the religious organization, and various other specially-designated places such as cemeteries, but (reasonably so) not in other religious associations’ property.

Missionary work is not allowed in residences. If there is one takeaway from the law, it should be this.

In other public situations, only the leader of the local religious association (or a designated alternate) is allowed to engage in missionary activities without a special permit – essentially, a legal declaration by the religious association that the carrier is authorized to perform missionary work. This requirement is notably targeted at Russian citizens, but a similar requirement is also required of foreign citizens. (It is my understanding that it is already the Church’s practice is to issue such declarations for missionaries.) Of particular note is the prohibition against missionary work intended to assist in the performance of “extremist activity.” This has been defined by recent legislation extremely broadly,...

One final provision clarifies that only religious services and rites, not missionary work, is allowed to be performed in people’s homes (by reference to the law governing religious meetings held outside of religious buildings). On the face of it, this suggests that anointing for the sick and afflicted is allowed in homes, and perhaps even holding Sacrament Meeting, but no missionary work. As a preventative measure, the provision also prevents the legal conversion of a residence into a religious space, meaning that you can’t just have someone in the branch register their apartment as a church and hold member lessons there. - https://motabredsquare.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/missionary-work-after-the-yarovaya-laws-part-ii-legal-analysis/

Actually, what the law appears to be designed to prevent is the Western perversion of Christianity that would advance the LGBT agenda

Which is more desperate defense, since evangelicals are more opposed to LGBTQ even in the US than any other major "Christian' group.

All of which I have said and substantiated before, but like a Russian cult you simply ignore what refutes you and post the same propaganda.

81 posted on 05/10/2024 7:45:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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