(October 28, 2002) How We Loved The Romans (Scotland Celts)

Sunday Herald ^ | 10-28-2002 | Juliette Garside

[LostTribe]

>I know the Saxons were Vikings. Who were the the Angles?

Virtually all the European peoples mentioned in this thread were just different tribes of Celts. The word Saxon comes from "Isaacs Sons", or "Saca Suni" and other permuatations.

The dominant majority of the Celts came from the region of the Caucasus Mountains (thus Caucasians) from 610 BC and later. That's when the 5 MILLION people from the Northern Kingdom of Israel (known as The Lost Tribes of Israel, having joined with the Medes and Persians to defeat their Assyrian captors, bailed out northward through the Caucasus and south around the Black Sea to begin their great trek westward to conquer and totally dominate Europe.

See BRIEF CELTIC HISTORY for much more on the European tribes.

[marsh2]

I know the Vikings (Ivar the Boneless, Ubbi, Halfdan) took York, Northumbria, Deira and East Anglia in the late 860s in retaliation for the death of Ragnar. In the 870s, Halfdan warred on the Picts, took Mercia and Guthrum took East Anglia.

The Norweignas had been in Wessex as early as 786. They stayed in Ireland and Northwest England.

Alfred's treaty recognizing the Danelaw was in 870, but it was not until 1013 that Svein, the king of Denmark became king of England. He was followed by his son Canute the Great. Canute was the first on record to establish hunting preserves or "forest" an area.

I admit that what I know of this is sort of peripheral. I was researching the roots of American property rights and getting information through implication and interpretation of sagas and stuff.

Am really interested in learning more from ya'll. Fascinating...

[LostTribe]

>The Saxons weren't Vikings. They were Germans. The Angles and Jutes came from what is now Denmark but would still be better classified as Germanic rather than Norse.

The definition of "German" is a fluid one, depending on time. The original Celtic tribe called "The Germani" is the source of the name of the approximate territory which is currently called Germany. But that Celtic tribe was driven out to the West and North by later invading Slavic tribes. Unlike most of its neighbors to the north, west, and SW, Germany today is not primarily Celtic in origin.

>...would still be better classified as Germanic rather than Norse.

Scandinavian languages are classified as "Germanic" in origin, as are others. Roman History makes many references to "barbarian Germanic Tribes". These were simply large Celtic tribes which occupied the territory, and who were related to the many other large Celtic tribes throughout Europe.

Historians typically make far too much of the differences between European peoples, ignoring their common roots. It's like concentrating on the trees while ignoring the forest. Trees are easier to study. {ggg}.

[Cronos]

The English were just then learning how to pick lice out of their hair back in Denmark, Saxony and other as of then un-named or un-known barbarian heartlands!

Well, maybe not quite so primitive, but you are correct, the ones in the south were Britons, many of whom moved into Cornwall or Wales or Britanny or Galicia.

interesting bit about hte Sctos -- they were an Irish people hwo moved in only after the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain. This was in opposition to the Hibernians who had invaded Ireland centuries earlier. Until the 6th century, Scotia was really Ireland. Scot means an adventurer or something similar in Irish (someone help me out here), not really a tribe. So, until the 7th century, Alba or modern day Scotland was Scotia Minor as opposed to Scotia Major (modern day IReland)

[Cronos]

you know, I never could get around that the Iberians were nor Celtic peoples.

[Cronos]

Could it be that the Picts or painted people were non-Caucasians? And that the coloring with wode was some way similar to some African tribes that paint their bodies? Pure conjecture here on my part.

[Cronos]

I know the Saxons were Vikings. Who were the the Angles?

cOmpletely confused. Saxons were not Vikings. vikings were not a people or a distinct Race. They were Germanic-Nordics very similar to the Danish and other Scandanavian tribes who formed the Vikings. Hence there wasn't so much trouble between the Saxons and ht Danes as between the Saxons and the Britons (Welsh) -- the Saxons and Danes spoke roughly similar languages and when the Danes became christians and stopped looting, they could all live happily together (well mostly ;-P)

Saxons, Angles, Frisians etc were all Germanic people from the Western parts of modern day Germany into Holland.

Icelandic culture is Scandanavian in origin and the Scandanavians were the last of the peoples in Europe to be civilised by Rome.

[Cronos]

Why would the Romans trade wine and olive oil for beer and lard? It must not have been their best. On the other hand, maybe they were trading for Scotch whiskey! I'd

Scotch whiskey was first distilled by Monks in the middle ages, quite a long time in the future.... Beer on the other hand is Egyptian in origin (surprising but true!) and wine seems to have it's origins in IRaq-Iran!

[Cronos]

The original Celtic tribe called "The Germani"

never heard of any Celtic tribe called so. The word german is derived form the Latin Germanus which means genuine or authentic and probably refers to the Roman distinction between the Celts and Germans -- viz. the GErmans were 'authentic' Celts, more Celtic than the Celts -- more blonder and hairier. confusing, well, yeah, the Romans didn't really care too much, both were barbarisn to be assimilated or slaughtered, not civilised peoples like the ones aroudn the Mediterranean.

[Cronos]

Historians typically make far too much of the differences between European peoples, ignoring their common roots. It's like concentrating on the trees while ignoring the forest. Trees are easier to study.

The 'European' peples roots lie further east in Persia-India, with the Germanic-Nordic-Greek relgions being similar variants to hinduism and the pre-Zoroastrian Irani religions. Their languages are also similar as are the physical characteristics.

[muawiyah]

Scota and Mil ~ The Great Goddess and Mankind! And where do these two creatures get together? Why, Scotia!

Mil was in the habit of building "watch towers. The Milesian "tower" at Brigantia (in Carvajal on the NW Coast of Spain) is rather famous. It pre-dates the arrival of the Phoenicians, and was so ancient that when the Romans arrived they had to rebuild it.

Today's Scotland was created by a mix of Milesian Irishmen and Scandinavian Vikings. This mix is reflected quite well in "MacBeth". The King was a Scot, but his wife was the daughter of a Viking King.

[Cronos]

Qutie correct, But what happened to the Picts?

[Cronos]

What do you think about the Lost Tribes of Israel (Semitic) people and the Celts (Aryanic people)?

[Savage Beast]

I knew that the Egyptians drank beer and the Persians drank wine, but I thought the production of whiskey in Scotland and Ireland began in prehistoric times. No?

[Savage Beast]

I knew that the Egyptians drank beer and the Persians drank wine, but I thought the production of whiskey in Scotland and Ireland began in prehistoric times. No?

[ASA Vet]

I have one case of this stuff left to me by my grandfather.
Is it anygood?

[SevenDaysInMay]

A WW I American of these mixed bloods doughboy, my great-uncle told me that a man's scotch should be older than his woman.

He died very old and very happy.

Prehistory discussions deserve old scotch, an oak fire, and a fair lass.

I vote for an independent Scotland before islamists capture a northern beachhead.

[muawiyah]

Obviously the Picts did not have blue receptor cones in their eyes. So, when they painted themselves blue they were harder to see (among their other Pictish enemies).

Betcha' that trait is still quite widespread among the modern Scottish populations. That would mean the Picts were absorbed!

[muawiyah]

I think the Aryans were a shade darker than the Semitic people ~ as they are today!

There were pre-Indo-European populations in Europe. They are still there. All they did is change their languages, but not their spots, or the absence thereof!

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

England = Angleterre = home of the Angles