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Hints from Russia to get rid of Saakashvili? ("One bullet is cheaper than cost of war." - Pavlovsky)
Messenger ^ | February 23, 2006

Posted on 02/23/2006 11:42:55 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Anti-Georgian hysteria in Russia is boiling over. On February 18 an advisor to Russian President Putin's administration and an anchor of his own program "Real Politics" on NTV Gleb Pavlovsky directly insinuated that "one bullet" would end difficulties Russia is facing with Georgian leadership. Speaker of Parliament Nino Burjanadze paid special attention to this fact and called on the international community to react.

Recent anti-Georgian hysteria has been growing in Russia. Russian politicians and political analysts compete with each other in making anti-Georgian statements. There do exist, however, Russian political analysts that do not support the aggressive, imperialistic policy of Moscow toward Georgia but under the conditions of 'controlled democracy,' their opinions are not able to see the light of day on television or in newsprint.

This propaganda campaign from the ruling elite vividly shows that Russia is not ready to deal with a Georgia that wants to change the rules of the game. Perhaps it is good that Russia postponed Tuesday's visit of the Georgian prime minister to Moscow, claiming that it needed more time to study the existing situation and properly understand Georgia's demands. If this were indeed the case and Russia acknowledged Georgia's basket of legitimate complaints, tensions could be easily solved. However reality coupled with 15 years of unending imperial pressure from Moscow, lead us to realize this turn of events is unlikely.

Russia has instead respond to Georgia's new diplomatic backbone with hysteria and threats. One of the most serious threats was stated on the program 'Real Politics' led by Gleb Pavlovsky. He is no Zhirinovsky or Mitrofanov and it cannot be said that his opinion does not have influence on the Kremlin. In contrast Pavlovsky is a respected political analyst with very close ties to Putin's administration Adviser. It can be said that he in fact defines the "real politics" of Russia.

In the program on NTV, Pavlovsky directly said that President Saakashvili was not a desirable figure for Russia and creates many problems for Moscow. Pavlovsky concluded that Russia has problems in the Caucasus because of Georgia that could easily lead to wars if any Russian citizens are harmed. Pavlovsky's solution was that "Saakashvili should be put into a straightjacket." He went on to paraphrase former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer and said, "The price of one bullet is significantly cheaper than the cost of an entire war."

At the February 20 parliamentary session Nino Burjanadze made her response to the statement. According to her the Georgian Parliament must appeal to the international community and urge all legislative bodies to protest and condemn this statement.

"The Georgian Parliament is waiting for an adequate reaction from the international community," she said as quoted by the newspaper Rezonansi. On Thursday, Burjanadze will raise this issue in Vienna at the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly Session. "The sooner the international community understands who Russia is, the better it will be for them and for us as well," stated Burjanadze as quoted in 24 Saati.

Pavlovsky justifies himself by saying the Georgian accusations toward him are absurd and that his comments were nothing more than notions voiced by officials in Washington, a close ally of the Georgian government. But the damage is already done and Georgia has become all the more aware of anti-Georgian sentiments in Russia's ruling class.

As for the official Moscow view of Russian-Georgian relations, we learned this on Wednesday when President Vladimir Putin told reporters in Baku that the relations are "a great shame for Georgians." Putin described Georgia as 'extremely poor' and claimed Tbilisi is trying to distract attention from the economic depression by stirring up conflict with Russia. "If anyone thinks that such issues can be dealt with by diverting the public's attention to a search for external enemies, they are taking the wrong approach," he said.

The Russian president nonetheless held out a measure of hope saying "We are ready to work together… there are forces in Georgia, including within the Georgian leadership, that are committed to developing relations with Russia." Putin added that President Mikheil Saakashvili is one of them. This was at least more friendly that asking around for 'one bullet'.


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KEYWORDS: communism; evilempire; georgia; glebpavlovsky; putin; russia; ussr
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1 posted on 02/23/2006 11:42:59 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Thunder90; spanalot; lizol; b2stealth

ping

things are much quieter around here, huh? LOL


2 posted on 02/23/2006 11:44:45 AM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Anti-Israel and funds CAIR, check my homepage for more info)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; MARKUSPRIME

Boooooring, nothing going on :-)))


4 posted on 02/23/2006 11:52:02 AM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: MARKUSPRIME; lizol

"LOL! What happened to Putins sac ticklers? OWNED!"


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

the putinistas were fun...i suspect they will return under new names.


5 posted on 02/23/2006 11:58:50 AM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Anti-Israel and funds CAIR, check my homepage for more info)
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To: lizol

wow, i was wondering why there hasn't been much anti-ukrainian things going on around here. it has been quiet! the shmucks have been suspended. unfortunately they were probably just suspended, they always find thier way back.


6 posted on 02/23/2006 12:14:21 PM PST by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.

It's too long as for suspension, I think.


7 posted on 02/23/2006 12:23:03 PM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Under the previous Georgian administration, the Chechens used Georgia as an entry point for Chechnya, a safe rear area.

This is one of the reasons we had our military people there, trying to convince Georgia to toughen up, since they implied that they weren't strong enough to take on the muslims.

Since Saakashvili has taken power, I don't know what the situation is there anymore. If Georgia's sin is wanting the return of Abkhazia, then I don't see the problem. Since Georgia is about the size of my thumbnail, what threat can it pose to Moscow? But if they are supporting other separatists in the Caucasus, you can imagine the Russians wouldn't appreciate it. Aside from earlier support for the Chechens, I'm not aware that this is the case, though.

So what is Moscow's beef?


8 posted on 02/23/2006 12:57:14 PM PST by marron
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To: Salvation; subatomicdust; antiRepublicrat; Optimill; kronos77; PzLdr; BubbaTheRocketScientist; ...
Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

9 posted on 02/23/2006 4:13:51 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And have you noticed one of them (rhymes with romanov) has had threads assigned to "blogs"


10 posted on 02/23/2006 4:32:28 PM PST by spanalot
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To: marron

"So what is Moscow's beef?"

Putie knows he is not going to enjoy these petro prices for long and that means he has to grab now.


11 posted on 02/23/2006 4:34:42 PM PST by spanalot
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To: MARKUSPRIME
What happened to Putins sac ticklers? OWNED!

Is that true?! That's a really good news.

I haven't had time for the Russian topics for some time, and didn't feel any enthusiasm as well when imagined the long, dull and boring, devoid of any sense word chewing which was inevitable with Gary The Spook, RusIvan, Romanov and the rest of the buggers...

12 posted on 02/23/2006 4:45:25 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russia has instead respond to Georgia's new diplomatic backbone with hysteria and threats. One of the most serious threats was stated on the program 'Real Politics' led by Gleb Pavlovsky. He is no Zhirinovsky or Mitrofanov and it cannot be said that his opinion does not have influence on the Kremlin. In contrast Pavlovsky is a respected political analyst with very close ties to Putin's administration Adviser. It can be said that he in fact defines the "real politics" of Russia.

I met Pavlovsky ones in the early (middle?) 80s in Budapest, during a big talk-shop arranged for Eastern Europeans by Soros. This was combined with Ol' George's birthday party, and boy, never before and never since have I seen such a bar... absolute free to that. One of the bartenders told me they had everything I can imagine. "Just name it, and if we haven't it, I'll pour you quadruples of anything else for compensation 'till you're able to continue...."

But, er, let's return to Pavlovsky. He was a shy half-baked aspiring dissident back then (when it was already safe to be one). It looked like the visit to Budapest was his first time out of the workers' Paradise, and obviously he liked the taste of success and money.

I mean, if he's the most realistic Russian politician, Gosh!

13 posted on 02/23/2006 5:01:52 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Pavlovskii is fool. He should be fired.


14 posted on 02/24/2006 12:48:36 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: KOZ.; Romanov; GarySpFc; A. Pole; FormerLib; x5452; Hill of Tara; RusIvan
The fact that you think criticizing a socialist thug like Yuschi is being anti-Ukrainian puts you on the same level as the DU thugs who think being anti-socialist is being anti-democratic.

PS, some of us have jobs and careers and aren't paid by the EU/Red-Browns to sit in air conditioned offices and spread agi-prop nor do we sit in our momma's basements being shills for the same Red-Browns.

15 posted on 02/24/2006 6:38:35 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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Pavlovskii is just one of the Putin's "smart guys" who actually put some strategy forward..

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What happened with Putinistas? :)
Maybe FR admins just banned all posts coming from FSB intranet? ;)


16 posted on 02/24/2006 6:39:46 AM PST by b2stealth
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Romanov
Wow, posting from a Georgian government approved site, how typical. Of course the fact that Saakashvili shut down 7 independent news orgs, to include the Times of Georgia and had journalists from several of the others beaten until they saw things his way, would never bother you.

Furthermore, the fact that prices have gone up over x4 and he's now rather unpopular (one of the reasons he keeps changing election rules to make sure he keeps power and the Republicans, Conservatives and New Conservatives have ZERO chance of election victories) wouldn't possibly influence anyone against the dictator. Same reason he killed off his VP and main rival last year. Then they published stories that claimed his rival was vp (which he was not) to discredit him.

17 posted on 02/24/2006 6:42:18 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"The price of one bullet is significantly cheaper than the cost of an entire war."

SIGNIFICANTLY!

19 posted on 02/24/2006 6:51:16 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I'm sure one bullet is cheaper, but WWI did get an assist by one bullet that proved to be costly.


20 posted on 02/24/2006 7:04:02 AM PST by jps098
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