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Wishing for Trumpís impeachment? 5 reasons the next president could be even more dangerous
Salon ^ | October 21, 2017 | Jacob Sugarman, Alternet

Posted on 10/21/2017 10:57:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

From the moment he was elected, liberals have clung to the possibility, however remote, that Donald Trump will be removed from office. They've fallen for the conspiracy theories of #Resistance hucksters like Louise Mensch, Claude Taylor and Eric Garland, and continue to hold out hope the Mueller investigation will bring his corrupt presidency crashing down. Just this week, law professor and short-lived presidential candidate Lawrence Lessig laid out a series of preposterous if/then scenarios explaining how Hillary Clinton could still become president, almost a year after her shocking defeat.

If Jane Mayer's latest feature is any indication, the left should be very careful what it wishes for. In a detailed story for the New Yorker, the "Dark Money" author offers a sweeping profile of Vice President Mike Pence, from his days as a candidate for Congress to his disastrous tenure as governor of Indiana. And while much of her reporting is a matter of public record, her findings are no less revelatory. What emerges from her conversations with Pence's family, associates and political rivals is a portrait of a ruthless authoritarian whose bigotry, homophobia and free-market radicalism supersede his Christian faith.

Ultimately, Mike Pence has more in common with his reality-show running mate than meets the eye; as his own brother is willing to admit, "he's full of shit." If his positions on key issues aren't necessarily worse than Trump's, they're at least as reactionary — and far more rigid.

Here are five of the most distressing revelations from Mayer's report.

1. He's in the pocket of the Koch brothers

The right-wing billionaires have donated hundreds of thousands to Pence's gubernatorial campaigns, and their contributions are already paying enormous dividends. Thanks to the vice president, who effectively commandeered the transition team from Chris Christie, Trump has stocked his administration with Koch family favorites like Betsy DeVos (Secretary of Education), Don McGahn (White House counsel) and Scott Pruitt (administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency).

“If Pence were to become president for any reason, the government would be run by the Koch brothers — period," Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., said. "He's been their tool for years."

Even Steve Bannon would appear to agree, admitting, "I'm concerned he'd be a president that the Kochs would own."

2. He's openly disdainful of science

Not only has Pence dismissed climate change as an invention of environmentalists and a "Chicken Little attempt to raise taxes," he's largely responsible for helping kill a cap-and-trade bill that would have taxed major corporations for carbon pollution. During his time in Congress, he railed against the legislation as the "largest tax increase in American history" — a claim that was patently untrue. "His language," Mayer notes, "echoed that of the Koch groups."

During his time at the Indiana Policy Review Foundation, a right-wing think tank modeled after the American Enterprises Institute, Pence penned an essay parroting the talking points of the tobacco industry. "Smoking doesn’t kill," he wrote. "In fact, two out of every three smokers doesn’t die from a smoking-related illness.” The country's greatest hazard? “Big government disguised as do-gooder, health care rhetoric.”

Pence also believes that intelligent design is the only “remotely rational explanation for the known universe," and that “educators around America must teach evolution not as fact but as theory."

3. He's a virulent homophobe

Much has been written about Pence's willingness to direct federal funds to anti-gay conversion therapy programs, but Mayer focuses on his support for the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which "essentially legalized discrimination against homosexuals by businesses in the state."

When Pete Buttigieg, the gay mayor of South Bend, tried to confront Pence about the bigoted nature of the bill and its potential to harm Indiana's economy, he was stonewalled. “He got this look in his eye,” Buttigieg told the New Yorker. “He just inhabits a different reality. It’s very difficult for him to lay aside the social agenda. He’s a zealot.”

Pence's animus for the LGBT community has not been lost on the president. When the subject of gay rights was recently broached at the White House, Trump reportedly gestured to his VP, quipping, “Don’t ask that guy — he wants to hang them all!”

4. He's determined to roll back women's rights.

Pence has made a name for himself as an anti-abortion crusader, backing "personhood" legislation that would ban abortions unless a woman's life is at stake, even in cases of rape and incest. He sponsored an amendment to the Affordable Care Act that would have legally allowed hospitals to turn away dying women before terminating their pregnancies. And at the Indiana Policy Review Foundation, he advocated that married women be denied access to birth control.

Vi Simpson, the former Democratic minority leader of the Indiana State Senate, told the New Yorker she believes it is Pence's "mission" to "reverse women’s economic and political advances."

5. His economic ideas are a proven disaster.

Trump has called Indiana a model for his forthcoming tax plan, "a tremendous example of the prosperity that is unleashed when we cut taxes.” But like Sam Brownback's Kansas, the Hoosier State has offered yet another cautionary tale for the dangers of trickle-down economics. According to Mayer, the tax cuts Mike Pence imposed have saved his constituents a grand total of $3.50 per month.

"Pence claimed that the cut stimulated the economy," Mayer writes, "but John Zody, the chairman of the state’s Democratic Party, told me, 'Our per-capita income is thirty-eighth in the nation, and not climbing.'"

Read Jane Mayer's entire piece at the New Yorker.


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KEYWORDS: democrats; fakenews; impeachment; pence; salon; trump
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The Left waking from it's stupor?
1 posted on 10/21/2017 10:57:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dangerous? In what way?


2 posted on 10/21/2017 11:00:40 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would rather keep President Trump. Thank you.

Fortunately, even the spineless GOPe cannot reasonably remove both from office. A civil war is far more likely than “President Hillary” taking power ever.


3 posted on 10/21/2017 11:01:32 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Solon has developed a scalp cleansing hair treatment that turns women into communists without their knowledge.

Sure, they look great. ...but the hair butter seeps in and destroys their minds.

Quite clever.


4 posted on 10/21/2017 11:02:59 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dear Salon,
Godot has never arrived.
Just FYI.


5 posted on 10/21/2017 11:04:05 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re getting their script together for 7 years from now


6 posted on 10/21/2017 11:06:21 AM PDT by BRL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bizarro fantasy world these Liberals live in amazes me.

Example: “1. He’s in the pocket of the Koch brothers. The right-wing billionaires have donated hundreds of thousands to Pence’s gubernatorial campaigns...”

So Pence owes the Koch brothers as President (which he would not become on his own - until possibly 2024 - unless Trump is removed from office now) because they gave money to his gubernatorial campaigns? REALLY?


7 posted on 10/21/2017 11:09:51 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see a lot of leftist dog-whistles here, but nothing of substance.

What, in this screed, establishes that Pence would be “dangerous” and in what fashion?


8 posted on 10/21/2017 11:10:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: vladimir998

Based on that logic, Hillary is 1,000 times more in the pocket of Russia than Pence is of his big donors.


9 posted on 10/21/2017 11:14:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All the stuff they hated only made me like the VP more!


10 posted on 10/21/2017 11:17:29 AM PDT by Nateman (Cruz haters piss me off! How about concentrating your fire on the bad guys, like the left?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, Salon doesn’t like Trump but they left out the most important reason not to impeach him from their perspective. The civil war that would follow would result in the deaths of hundreds of swamp dwelling politicians, deep state functionaries and they journalist enablers.


11 posted on 10/21/2017 11:17:47 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Dump Flake)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“a virulent homophobe”

And a rabid anti-dentite!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythrdCsOFJU


12 posted on 10/21/2017 11:19:53 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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Five reasons why I am even more pleased with Pence as VP.

I'm old enough (84) to remember when he would have been called a "true" American who represented everything "good" about America and what made her great.

IOW, he was a true representation of the average American...In those bygone days...

13 posted on 10/21/2017 11:21:34 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Lawrence Lessig laid out a series of preposterous if/then scenarios explaining how Hillary Clinton could still become president

Which pretty much consisted of making Hillary Clinton the Speaker of the House and then having everyone above her voluntarily step aside and allow the line of succession to take over.

14 posted on 10/21/2017 11:27:21 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...a portrait of a ruthless authoritarian whose bigotry, homophobia and free-market radicalism supersede his Christian faith.

So what's not to like?

15 posted on 10/21/2017 11:30:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ROFLMAO!!! They can wish in one hand and —— in the other, you know which one will get fullest the fastest...

Never heard of such insane ideas since GWB was in office!!!


16 posted on 10/21/2017 11:35:05 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: vladimir998

California is the classic example of the leftist Bizarro state model. They’re in such deep s**t financially, and yet you ask any lefty out there they’ll say they’re living in a state that is prosperous and a model for the rest of America.


17 posted on 10/21/2017 11:36:23 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Pollster1

Impeachment is a very difficult process, for a reason. In terms of efficiency, a successful assassination would be both much quicker, and perhaps would result in the objectives the dissenting faction has been seeking. But there are myriad things just unspeakably wrong with such a strategy, and if the operation were not 100% perfectly executed, the very real probability exists that everything would blow up in the faces of the dissenters.

The one time that near success with this strategy could be claimed was the Kennedy assassination, in which the perpetrators were successful in almost entirely covering their tracks, but the imbalance created for the next half a century almost sent this nation out of control. There was a Deep State in operation back then, too. LBJ was just its most visible face.


18 posted on 10/21/2017 11:38:38 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The next President is Trump.
And he will be more dangerous to the swamp things.
Hopefully, the swamp turd..I mean hurd..will be whittled down after 2018 and 2020.


19 posted on 10/21/2017 11:41:48 AM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: Leep

“The next President is Trump.
And he will be more dangerous to the swamp things.
Hopefully, the swamp turd..I mean hurd..will be whittled down after 2018 and 2020”.

I agree and hope you are right.

The more successful Trump is in draining the Swamp, the greater the likelihood of his assassination. The Swamp is Evil and they will do what it takes to survive.


20 posted on 10/21/2017 11:59:54 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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