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The important thing is that the officers went home safely to their families that night.

Doesn't matter if anybody else did.

1 posted on 12/10/2017 10:03:51 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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Bang bang bang. Stop or I will shoot.


2 posted on 12/10/2017 10:06:46 AM PST by shelterguy
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“Shaver is not a bad person, but his actions are what brought the police that night.”

Actually, Arizona is one of the few states where any citizen 21 or older can carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

Shaver did nothing wrong.

3 posted on 12/10/2017 10:08:16 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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No wonder they lost...””””Mark Geragos, Sweet’s lawyer, called the shooting an “execution.”


4 posted on 12/10/2017 10:08:47 AM PST by shelterguy
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Anyone who expects a cop to be convicted of a criminal act no matter how blatant the evidence of wrongdoing is going to be disappointed. They’re “good shoots” 99.999% of the time no matter what.


5 posted on 12/10/2017 10:10:42 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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“YouTube Video: Execution of Daniel Shaver”

seems titler of this video has passed judgement on what happen in that instant.


6 posted on 12/10/2017 10:10:57 AM PST by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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Just trying to ensure I got this right. I can now defend my use of a firearm by citing normal ‘training tactics’, and if the training was wrong, it’s not my fault? Hot dang, free fire zone for everyone!

Oh, wait, this only works if you’re a government employee. I’m just curious, what ever happened to the concept of all being equal before the law?


7 posted on 12/10/2017 10:12:20 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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I saw the video and I am not impressed with the way Brailsford reacted. Way too trigger happy. This absolutely did not have to happen. A more experienced officer would never have fired those shots. And I say that as someone who is retired military and retired LE.


8 posted on 12/10/2017 10:12:54 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Anyone heard the status of the ROP cop who shot the woman reporting a rape in Minnesota.


10 posted on 12/10/2017 10:15:22 AM PST by Cold Heart
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Sure seems like a murder. Cop should have been found guilty.


12 posted on 12/10/2017 10:17:35 AM PST by tupac (the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe)
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Horrifying. But you can clearly see the suspect reach back with his right hand after being very definitively being told not to do exactly that.

I don’t know what the call was thet brought the cops there in the first place that put them so on edge.


14 posted on 12/10/2017 10:26:40 AM PST by moonhawk (My Basket of Deplorable is Irredeemably mired in the Swamp of Crazy.)
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The cop did not know he was unarmed and the perp made movements that he may have been armed. I guess you would like the cop dead so you can feel better.


27 posted on 12/10/2017 10:44:46 AM PST by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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” etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said “You’re f–ked,”

That sounds like something a serial killer would do.

I wonder if he has a locked case full of trophies.


29 posted on 12/10/2017 10:56:02 AM PST by Califreak (Take Me Back To Constantinople)
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“If he’s running, he’s VC. If he’s standing still, he’s a well disciplined VC.”


32 posted on 12/10/2017 11:07:03 AM PST by M1911A1 (President Trump. Ahhhhhhhh.....)
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I beleive in the rule of law, not the rule of anonymous people who weren’t on the jury watching online videos.


37 posted on 12/10/2017 11:32:23 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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I think following “normal ‘training tactics’” is a particularly specious excuse when it results in the death of an innocent person.

Soldiers (admittedly nazi) have been convicted and punished severely for war crimes because reasonable people didn't accept the “I was just following orders” argument. Of course in the soldiers’ defense, the consequences for not following orders was harsh to the extreme.

Is this one instance of overreaction a crime against humanity? Maybe not, but to me allowing/promoting the untempered authoritarianism that was displayed by the officer in the video allows those attitudes to increase and results in more “unfortunate circumstances”.

How would you feel if your newly launched adult child didn't yet have the wherewithal to control his/herself sufficiently to satisfy the whims of a power-happy bureaucrat with a gun and died? Would you say “well, s/he never did well under pressure, it was bound to happen”? Or would you be outraged and begin or continue to consider those in such positions and above enemies of your family and community?

This, I believe, is a part of the anger that has been leveraged by the left to divide a country that once believed and lived by “E Pluribus Unum”.

I believe many U.S. citizens have lost their moral compass and have no ability to discern right from wrong.

If cops are allowed to feel NO remorse for such actions, we are following in the footsteps of the nazis.

52 posted on 12/10/2017 2:16:57 PM PST by plsjr (<>< Mankind "knows" by trial and error; Only the CREATOR really knows His creation.)
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I’ll make up my mind after I read a full and fair summary of the Defense case.


53 posted on 12/10/2017 2:27:11 PM PST by zeestephen
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Sadly, this verdict supports the position of groups that hate cops.


56 posted on 12/10/2017 3:34:23 PM PST by WASCWatch
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Shaver thought it was a laughing matter, and failed to follow instructions to the “T” when told to do so, and the consequences for not doing so. However, the cop should be executed. Incredible.


57 posted on 12/10/2017 3:41:40 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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First time I saw the actual shooting.

Totally and completely unnecessary shooting.

Hope this cop dies drunk in the gutter in his own waste.

58 posted on 12/10/2017 3:49:06 PM PST by Eagles6
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I learned an important lesson here.

When a LEO orders you face down, arms outreached, do not follow any additional orders.

Let them come and cuff you.

You will get a drunk in public charge, no big deal.

The “Simon says game” will get you killed.

I wonder how many lost this game before body Cams?


61 posted on 12/10/2017 5:34:26 PM PST by hadaclueonce
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