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1 posted on 12/06/2004 5:45:10 AM PST by billybudd
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No offense, but it's just a cartoon. Not everything in life needs to be analyzed to death.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 5:46:53 AM PST by cwiz24 (Hey Democrats---Now who's ya daddy?)
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To: billybudd

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


3 posted on 12/06/2004 5:48:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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Wow I was wondering what objectivist would think about this. Also I hope tony danza tells me what he thinks about this movie because his opinions are almost as culturally valid.

It's just a cartoon.
4 posted on 12/06/2004 5:48:55 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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This guys a doofus.

He has it exactly backwards.

The moral message of the movie lies beneath the superficialities of presentation, in the fundamental traits of its characters. Given their complaints about the false choice presented in this movie, one would expect objectivists to remain neutral in judging it on moral grounds. But, disturbingly, they are not. It's disturbing because, in a choice between a self-made innovator and a hero with innate powers, they side with the "hero". Instead of praising the American spirit of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, they engage in royalty- and god-worship.

The "Self-Made innovator" wants to use the machinery to make everything Egalitarian, not what Rand proposed. The Heroes are the can-do's and the evil little troll is the government bureaucrat....FCOL. Even my 6 year old got that.

5 posted on 12/06/2004 5:49:17 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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"Choose again"


6 posted on 12/06/2004 5:49:32 AM PST by petro45acp ("Democrat = socialist. Remember it, repeat it, say it loudly, and VOTE!")
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Check your premises; Contradictions can't exist
8 posted on 12/06/2004 5:50:15 AM PST by Dalite (If PRO is the opposite of CON, What is the opposite of PROgress? Go Figure....)
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barf-o-rama

It was a cute family-oriented flick.

11 posted on 12/06/2004 5:51:18 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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this rogue attempts to bring the “fire of the gods” to man by means of a technology that gives everyone the Incredibles’ powers

To note the error in this conclusion, merely subsititute the word 'government' for techonology. That is the message of the movie, the inherent wrongness of egalatarianism.

13 posted on 12/06/2004 5:52:56 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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Rand did a creditable job of acknowledging the little guy in Atlas Shrugged (e.g. a mechanic in who's workmanlike motions she saw poetry). But the worship of the very talented was disturbing. It was less disturbing when I first read the book 20 years ago, and was pretty sure I was very talented.


14 posted on 12/06/2004 5:55:53 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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Just a great, fun, cartoon based movie. Nothing more.


15 posted on 12/06/2004 5:57:23 AM PST by IonInsights
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I agree, the writer is taking deconstruction too far here, but I agree that making Syndrome a bad guy in a sense picks on genius for getting too uppity and not knowing its (non) superhero place.


17 posted on 12/06/2004 5:58:14 AM PST by Kerfuffle
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a competing narrative: one of special people born with unearned gifts and of regular people who must make do with what they have

When did Howard Roark "earn" his architectural insight? He worked hard to develop the skills, but he was born with his talent. Peter Keating could never have been a Roark, no matter how much effort he put into it.

Rand's characters are effectively humanistic demi-gods.

18 posted on 12/06/2004 5:58:33 AM PST by TigerTale ("An America that is a force for democratic change is a very dangerous foe indeed."--Victor D. Hansen)
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Man, what I wouldn't give to be an unemployed blogger with hours and hours and hours of free time.


20 posted on 12/06/2004 6:00:38 AM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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I'm breathlessly awaiting a detailed thesis on SpongeBob Squarepants as John Galt.
21 posted on 12/06/2004 6:00:46 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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Actually, for about the first 25 minutes or so, I thought to myself, "This could be a kids version of 'Atlas Shrugged.'" The the plot quickly turned away from that.


27 posted on 12/06/2004 6:12:58 AM PST by zook
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The proper dichotomy should be, they argue, between the strong and the weak, the able and the incompetent....One of the regular people dares to rise above his station through hard work and innovation.

Huh? this guy must have read a different "Atlas Shrugged" (or "Fountainhead") than did I. Since when is this the "Randian" philosophy?

29 posted on 12/06/2004 6:16:46 AM PST by montag813
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What underlies their confusion is their reflexive attempt to fit cultural narrative of the proper dichotomy between the superficialities of presentation in the fundamental objectivism.

OR, you can just enjoy some animated entertainment.


39 posted on 12/06/2004 6:47:29 AM PST by AmericanChef
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Is this written by Dagney's brother?
45 posted on 12/06/2004 7:00:39 AM PST by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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This is actually a extremely moral movie. The superheros have talents and use them to do good. It is society that that wants to hide the talents. What did Jesus say about having talent. Do not bury your talent in the sand but use your talent for the benefit of God! We do not have superheros in our world but we have gifted people - intelligent, artists, singers, dancers, athletes - the list goes on. But we have a society today telling our children to hide their talent because it is not fair to the other kids. Liberals wants us to hide our talent in the sand. The movie says that no matter what our talent, we should have it shine outward to the world. That is the moral and Christian message.


46 posted on 12/06/2004 7:06:06 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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A is A.


54 posted on 12/06/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by jimfree (Wrote an Objectivst note to a friend today.)
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