Posted on 06/26/2005 12:34:58 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Once more we are having to listen to the black is white, up is down Dem-speak we’ve been subjected to for the last forty years.
The Democrats, and their allies in the extremist lobbying organizations know how wrong Durbin’s comments were and that his “apology” on Wednesday was anything but a legitimate apology. They know that such a comment could be damaging to their election hopes in 2006 so they are running to cover Durbin’s egregious statements by trumping up a comparison between Durbin’s comments and those made by Carl Rove at a conservative fund raiser. Okay, I know that you Liberals don’t care about the facts, or about truth in general, but I am going to lay out the differences between the two speeches anyway.
Carl Rove, as I said, was speaking at a fundraiser in his capacity as a politician; politics from a politician. Dick Durbin was speaking from the well of the Senate in his official capacity as a Senator and as the number two Democrat Leader in the Senate. One was leveling criticism on his political opponents, Liberal organizations; the other was denigrating the actions of our troops in Guantanamo without regard to the damage such a statement could do both to the morale of our troops, and to the propaganda value for our enemies.
Senator Durbin was providing our enemies with propaganda from an official source within our government by falsely accusing American soldiers, performing their official duties, of war crimes, even as he knew it was not true. There is and was absolutely no evidence of systematic prisoner abuse at GTMO and it was inappropriate for Dick Durbin to have made a comparison between GTMO and the Gulags of the former Soviet Union, the death camps of NAZI Germany, and the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge, from the e-mail of one FBI agent regarding one report about one prisoner, especially in the face of General Hood’s report on the SouthCom Koran Inquiry, which was published two weeks before Durbin’s rant. General Hood’s report in fact shows that prisoners and their Korans were and are being treated with great deference to their religion and their customs. Meticulous records are being kept on all prisoner complaints and the investigations thereof. Any mistreatment allegations are investigated thoroughly and if any finding of fact occurs, the guard is appropriately punished.
The Democrats have been hyperventilating over what Rove said, calling not just for an apology, but for his resignation. What was it that was so heinous that Carl Rove said? It was a dead factual examination of Liberals reactions to the 9/11 attack.
“Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war, Liberals saw the savagery of 9/11 the attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding to our attackers.”
Every word of it is true and that is what the Democrats are screaming about. Democrats hate it when you throw their words back in their faces. They much prefer for us to conveniently forget what they said so that they can change the “facts” to fit the circumstance. Don’t believe me? Well all we have to do is go back and look at what the Left said at the time.
1. MoveOn.Org posted on September 13th 2001 the following:
“We the undersigned citizens and residents of the United States of America, appeal to the President of the United States, George Bush, and to all leaders internationally to use moderation and restraint in response to the recent terrorist attacks.”
2. Michael Moore in an article titled Death, Downtown posted on his sight on 9/12:http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2001-09-12
“What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about this bin Laden guy except this one fact — WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden...We abhor terrorism-unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing...We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the1980’s who killed 30,000 civilians that’s our work you and me. Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers!...Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn’t living in poverty so we can have nice running shoes?...let’s mourn and grieve and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.”
3. Bill Clinton said:
“First of all terror, the killing of non-combatants for economic political or religious reasons has a very long history. Those of us who come from various European lineages are not blameless.”
4. Susan Sontag wrote on 24, September 2001 in an article in the New Yorker, A Mature Democracy:
"Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a 'cowardly' attack on 'civilization' or 'liberty' or 'humanity' or 'the free world' but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions... [I]f the word "cowardly" is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others. In the matter of courage (a morally neutral virtue): Whatever may be said of the perpetrators of Tuesday's slaughter, they were not cowards."
5. Robert Wright in Slate Magazine September 20, 2001 in an article titled: Feels So Good asked us to examine our motives:
“Why does pretty much everyone feel that it's good to punish terrorists? Obviously, there are sound practical reasons to punish people who do bad things, and all of us, pressed to articulate our retributive urge, can list them. Still, the urge precedes the articulation. It is an emotional reflex, a part of human nature no less than the feelings of hunger or lust.”
6. And later in the same article:
“People will say things like, "Anyone who kills 5,000 people deserves to die!"—as if this statement were self-evident. And, of course, it does seem self-evident, but the reason it seems that way is that we generally trust our retributive instinct. And the whole point of this column is that this instinct is just an instinct. It is here only because of its success in getting the genes of our ancestors into subsequent generations. Its inherent moral status is no higher than that of other such instincts—the desire to sleep with your neighbor's spouse or stuff your face with junk food. (The sweet tooth, actually, seems to be another evolved impulse that was once good for us—back when the sweetest available thing was fruit—but is bad for us if exercised without discretion in a modern environment.)
"Granted, the retributive impulse, though a mere instinct, is often justified in practice by its consequences. And it may be that killing Osama Bin Laden—depending on how it was done—would have on balance positive consequences. But that's a separate question, and it should be the only question that governs U.S. policy.”
7. Michael Kinsley in an article entitled Defining Terrorism: It’s Necessary, It’s Also Impossible. October 5th 2001 ponders a difficult (for him) question:
“Now may seem like an odd moment to be worrying that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter... Nevertheless, the definition of the word terrorism is a problem in what we'd better start calling the war effort. It's a problem for journalists: Reuters has banned the word in reference to Sept. 11, making an admirable concern for the safety of their reporters look like an idiotic moral relativism.”
Looks to me like typical Liberal soul searching as to how bad America is and how wrong we are to want to strike back at the terrorists. Shame on us! We should know better. We probably deserved to be attacked anyway.
One thing I find fascinating is that Democrats, especially those who are most vocal about being offended by Mr. Rove’s comments, are the same ones who are so determined not to identify themselves as Liberals. They eschew the word as if it was the Black Death. Now however, their sensibilities are offended. Well Hillary, Orca, Hateful Harry, and the rest of you, which is it? Are you Liberals, or are you not? If you’re not Liberals, then you couldn’t possibly be offended by Carl Rove’s statement, because it was not directed at you. Hmmm, quite a quandary isn’t it. How do you take offense at a statement which was quite clearly directed at you without revealing your true nature? My, my, my, such a difficult dilemma for you. You could of course simply tell the truth and admit that you are all extremely Liberal and “out of the mainstream” (now where have I heard that phrase before?), but we know that telling the truth is just not in you. Well, I’m glad I’m not in your shoes. As a proud conservative, I don’t have to hide my true nature and I can revel in your discomfiture.
Oh, and by the way Senator Durbin, I am still waiting to hear your apology
HOOOOWWW true. I totally agree with your subtitle BTW.
The MSM works to miss the obvious. They're getting good at it...
If one is going to editorialize, at least get the spelling of Rove's name right: it's Karl, not Carl.
Just like the big maggot from STARSHIP TROOPERS
About the same species too!
Yes, to utter the word lets the vampire in the front door and they know it. Shouldn't that tell them they are wrong? All goes to prove liberalism is a mental disorder so pervasive the victim never knows he has it.
If you have time to still be thinking about that idiot Durbin.
All Karl Rove has to do is play back the videos of the liberals spouting off.
I am just posting a small portion.
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): “Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ‘Uh-Oh, We’ve Got Some Problems With These People,’ … I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.” (Ethan Wallison, “War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,” Roll Call, 10/1/01)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): “I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.” (Eddy Ramirez, “Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,” [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)
Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That “America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.” (Adam Nagourney, “Say It Loud,” The New York Times, 12/1/02)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To “Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.” “‘One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,’ Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.” (Malie Rulon, “Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,” The Associated Press, 3/6/03)
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would “Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day” That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. “‘How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?’ Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ‘We’re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.’” (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
• “The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A ‘High-Tech Bully …’” (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: “I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.” (“Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,” The Associated Press, 12/26/03)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) To High School Students: “How Would [Muslims] Look At Us Today If We Had Been There Helping Them With Some Of That Rather Than Just Being The People Who Are Going To Bomb In Iraq And Go To Afghanistan? … War Is Expensive Too … Your Generation Ought To Be Thinking About Whether We Should Be Better Neighbors Out In Other Countries So That They Have A Different Vision Of Us.” (Gregg Herrington, “Senator Asks Students To Ponder,” The [Vancouver, WA] Columbian, 12/19/02)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): “[W]ar On Terror Is Far Less Of A Military Operation And Far More Of An Intelligence-Gathering, Law-Enforcement Operation.” (The Iowa Brown & Black Coalition Presidential Forum, Des Moines, IA, 1/11/04)
• Kerry: “[W]hat We’ve Learned Is That The War On Terror Is Much More Of An Intelligence Operation And A Law Enforcement Operation.” (NPR’s “All Things Considered,” 3/19/03)
Lets not forget Hillary screaming with a made up paper that said "He Knew" remember that?
And what is men's daily, anyway? It sound suspiciously decadent
From henceforth you would do well to restrict yourself to sites that do not sound like they are run by a bunch of European meterosexuals..
Second you might want to learn how to use the SEARCH feature on your browser. It is your friend.
BTW I have been here since 1998,I do have a clue as to what Jim Robinsons standards are.
The hypos ranting about Rove seem to forget the rhetoric at most Demo rallies/fund raisers where they constantly vilify conservatives, Christians, Republicans and especially "that evil warmonger" Bush. Attacks from the left way outnumber those from the right, yet every time the right points out the ineptness of the left, the libs scream and yell about being an innocent mauled by those intolerant right-winger bullies. (Notice how their screaming foul about attacks usually contains an attack in itself!)
One thing that is soooo nice to see is that these Gun hating Lefties....always MISS the target.
They also point out that the MSM leans way to the right by pointing out their ineptness. Yikes!?
I apologize young man, in point of fact you did not originate this thread.
Carry on....
OK
Brit nailed it today on Fox News Sunday when he said:
"No more needs to be said about the motives of the media".
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