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Pouting Spooks Leak to ABC News
Never Yet Melted ^ | December 5, 2005 | JDZ

Posted on 12/05/2005 7:24:38 PM PST by Venator

ABC News is reporting that

Current and former CIA officers speaking to ABC News on the condition of confidentiality say the United States scrambled to get all the suspects off European soil before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrived there today. The officers say 11 top al Qaeda suspects have now been moved to a new CIA facility in the North African desert.

The disgrunted intelligence officers even disclosed an actual list of 12 high-value targets allegedly held by the CIA, and ABC is reporting it :

Abu Zubaydah: Held first in Thailand then Poland

Ibn Al-Shaykh al-Libi: Held in Poland. Previously held in Pakistan/Afghanistan

Abdul Rahim al-Sharqawi: Held in Poland

Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri: Held in Poland

Ramzi Binalshibh: Held in Poland

Mohammed Omar Abdel-Rahman: Held in Poland

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed: Held in Poland

Waleed Mohammed bin Attash: Held in Poland

Hambali: In U.S. custody. Kept isolated from other high-value targets.

Hassan Ghul: Held in Poland.

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani: Held in Poland

Abu Faraj al-Libbi


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans
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1 posted on 12/05/2005 7:24:38 PM PST by Venator
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To: kcvl; Mo1; Peach; rodguy911; Lancey Howard; Fedora; Howlin; Miss Marple; Enchante; Southack; ...

Pong !! ... those dirty rats.


2 posted on 12/05/2005 7:30:10 PM PST by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: Venator

So they were held in Poland. What's the big deal? Why would we have to move them? And last but definitely not least, why are American CIA operatives giving out our secrets. Wouldn't that comprimise not only our WOT but also their identities? If this is true, and given the track record of the MSM of late I wouldn't give them that much credit, wouldn't it be very easy for our CIA to out these "anonymous" operatives and fire them? How pathetic.


3 posted on 12/05/2005 7:31:33 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: STARWISE

Does this poster smell a bit on the Trollish side to you Starwise?


4 posted on 12/05/2005 7:32:59 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Venator
disgruntled intelligence officers

More than one, eh?

Revealing classified wartime information indicates something more than being merely "disgruntled".

These "officers" are breaking every oath of secrecy they're ever sworn.

5 posted on 12/05/2005 7:36:26 PM PST by angkor
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To: Venator

Yawn.

I'll take "Torture them all to save 1 US soldier" for $200 Alex.


6 posted on 12/05/2005 7:40:46 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: Venator

This is ridiculous. There needs to be a major purge of the CIA starting right NOW.


7 posted on 12/05/2005 7:43:11 PM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: wvobiwan

In fact, I'll take "Torture them all IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD WITH PANTIES ON THEIR HEADS to save 1 US soldier" for $200, Alex!


8 posted on 12/05/2005 7:48:37 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: phoenix0468
Here's the ABC story ......... appears to be rottenly true, from their reporting. 'Course, AlwaysBushConflicted could have made it known that Bushbashers are very welcome...and they magically don't have to reveal their sources.
9 posted on 12/05/2005 7:55:53 PM PST by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: wvobiwan
More related leaks. Only the Belfast Telegraph - of all news outlets - seems to have this story.

"Terror gulag" indeed.

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Belfast Telegraph Home > News

Black arts of ‘terror gulag’ revealed CIA agents leak interrogation tactics 05 December 2005

Amid a growing row in the United States over torture, a list of ‘‘enhanced interrogation techniques’’ used by CIA agents in secret prisons has been leaked. In at least one case, a prisoner has died.

The techniques have been authorised for use at CIA ‘‘black sites’’ abroad, at which top terror suspects are held.

Last week the US-based organisation Human Rights Watch said ‘‘ghost detainees’’ were held at two military bases, in Poland and Romania. Similar sites in half a dozen other countries, including Afghanistan, Thailand and the Indian Ocean base of Diego Garcia, leased from Britain, are now said to have been closed.

The existence of these detention facilities and what happens inside them are the most secret aspect of America’s ‘‘war on terror’’. In contrast to military-run camps and prisons such as Guantanamo Bay in Cuba or Abu Ghraib in Iraq, where it was impossible to hide all CIA activity, the location of the ‘‘black sites’’ and the identities of those held there are known only to a handful of senior US officials. In the host countries, only the President and top intelligence officials are aware of them.

Details of the secret prisons and the methods used in them have emerged mainly from CIA officers, who said the public needed to know ‘‘the direction their agency has chosen’’.

They broke ranks amid a furore in Washington over an amendment to the military spending package going through Congress. Republican Senator John McCain wants an unequivocal ban on all ‘‘cruel and inhuman’’ treatment of prisoners in US custody, including those held by the CIA.

Eighty-nine of the Senate’s 100 members voted for his amendment, rejecting attempts by the CIA and Vice-President Dick Cheney to exclude prisoners held at the ‘‘black sites’’.

President George Bush has threatened to exercise his veto on any defence bill that has the amendment attached.

The CIA prisons contain the 30 or so most senior al Qaeda captives. They include Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 2001 attacks; Ramzi Binalshibh, another prime September 11 suspect; and the Indonesian Riduan Isamuddin, better known as Hambali, accused of masterminding the Bali nightclub bombings in October 2002. Only the merest hints have emerged about their treatment, but according to the most graphic account, given to ABC News in the US, Mohammed won the admiration of his interrogators by enduring ‘‘waterboarding’’ for up to two and a half minutes before begging to confess.

CIA officers who subjected themselves to the same technique lasted an average of 14 seconds.

ABC’s sources said that just over a dozen CIA interrogators were trained and authorised to use the ‘‘enhanced interrogation’’ techniques. At least three had declined involvement. The use of each technique on each prisoner had to be approved, stage by stage, up to the use of the ‘‘water board’’. About a dozen ‘‘high-value’’ al Qaeda targets had been interrogated in this way, and, as one put it: ‘‘All of these have confessed, none of them has died, and all of them remain incarcerated’’.

At least one death has been reported elsewhere, however. In a CIA facility in Kabul known as the ‘‘Salt Pit’’, an officer, described as young and inexperienced, used the ‘‘cold treatment’’ on a detainee, who was left outdoors, naked, throughout a freezing Afghan night. He died of hypothermia.

The case and several others in Afghanistan and Iraq where interrogators — CIA officers, civilian contractors or members of the special forces — went beyond the guidelines and suspects died as a result are being investigated. —

SIX WAYS TO 'BREAK' SUSPECTS

The Attention Grab: The prisoner is shaken forcefully by the interrogator. The Attention Slap: Open-handed slap to cause pain and trigger fear.

The Belly Slap: A hard slap on the stomach to cause pain but not internal injury. Doctors have advised against punches.

Long Time Standing: Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled for more than 40 hours.

The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 10C and doused with cold water.

Waterboarding: The detainee is strapped down, dunked under water and made to believe he might be drowned. CIA agents last about 14 seconds.

10 posted on 12/05/2005 7:56:10 PM PST by angkor
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To: angkor

angkor, does it not dawn on you that the MSM will print anything that will undermine the U.S. and Coalition mission in the Middle East? So what if these tactics were used, and even one terrorist died as a result. If our troops and our citizens are safer for it, that's fine. Sounds harsh, but I really don't care about the care and treatment of those who have acted lower than human by killing innocent people for their cause.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 8:04:01 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468

Oh, I don't care that the terrorist scum were shipped around the globe and pushed around a little bit. In fact I very much hope that's what's happened.

At the same time, it appears that several CIA persons involved in these (obviously) classified activities have chosen to spill them to the press in some detail.

And on the third hand, maybe that's a good thing.


12 posted on 12/05/2005 8:11:09 PM PST by angkor
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To: angkor

No, it's not a good thing at all. These traitors should be locked up for their trasonous activity. What they have done is criminal. No, not good at all.


13 posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:49 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: denydenydeny
There needs to be a major purge of the CIA starting right NOW.

Absolutely. Waitt'll Bush gets one of his own in there to replace Porter G....
Oh. Nevermind.

14 posted on 12/05/2005 8:18:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Venator

Personally, I thought it was a good story.

It was certainly no secret to the terrs, and said to future terrs, "We will get you..." and said to US citizens, "We are playing this one gloves off."


15 posted on 12/05/2005 8:26:21 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: angkor

Thanks for that post. Very interesting.
It seems to me that those interrogation techniques listed should work just fine - - so why resort to torture?


16 posted on 12/05/2005 8:26:37 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Venator

Three words:
Purge, purge, purge


17 posted on 12/05/2005 8:29:13 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: angkor
Oh, dear, stages have to be approved up to the dreaded waterboarding, which I've heard described in a slightly different manner by some folks who had it done to them.

None of ABC's vaunted talking head experts attended SERE school?

The article even mentions that the technique is something long voluntarily tested on at least some of our own CIA employees. I don't hear the press shedding tears over it when it is used in the course of training- they only get the heebie-jeebies when it might be applied to a group of bloodthirsty former 14th century knife-weilding noggin-loppers who want to kill as many of us as possible.

18 posted on 12/05/2005 8:31:03 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: MindBender26

You seem to be the guy/gal to ask. Why do reporters bother with a story if all of their information comes from "undisclosed" sources. Pretty fake. Pretty cowardly.


19 posted on 12/05/2005 8:42:02 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
>You seem to be the guy/gal to ask. Why do reporters bother with a story if all of their information comes from "undisclosed" sources. Pretty fake. Pretty cowardly.

Occasionally, but usually not.

You want sources on the record, by name ("for attribution"), but many will not do so. If you burn them, no next story. Many sources cannot go on record unless they wanted to lose job, etc.

Remember one rule of "not for attribution" however. If they lie to you, you can use their name.
Sources may have many reasons to reveal data. Senators are the worst.... and it's only to curry favor with reporters and be seen as "Mister Inside."

Others have a definite interest in good data getting out.

Often reporters and their stories are used as a back channel to get data out.

For example, I was only US reporter with camera inside then still-operating control room at reactor #3 at Chernobyl in 1996, 10th anniversary of explosion of #4.

Took many contacts with a missionary who was helping families of firefighters killed in 1986 to get in, but Ukrainians also had msg to get out. It was simple "Reactor #4 concrete containment "sarcophagus" is far from stable. We need aid before whole thing collapses and starts huge problems all over again."

Also, remember that code words are often given to identity. For example, once quoted Kissinger is a "highly placed, colorful world traveling White House insider known for his self-assuredness."

Whole thing is like 1970 Politburo politics.

20 posted on 12/05/2005 9:06:58 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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