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IRAQ : We Are All Misinformed! ~~ 24 Steps to Liberty BLOG in Iraq reports some real facts.......
24 Steps to Liberty ^ | Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 24 Steps to Liberty

Posted on 02/25/2006 2:09:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

You guys always said you don’t get all the news from Iraq. And I always agreed with you!

I was shocked today when I read the news in the foreign newspapers. No one emphasized the marvelous cooperation and solidarity between the Shiites and the Sunnis in Iraq yesterday after the bombing of one of the most respected and visited holy sites in Islam, the Askariyah shrine, which is in Samarra city north of Baghdad. The shrine contains the remains of two 9th century Imams, Imam Ali al-Hadi and Imam Hasan Askari. They are now wrongly considered as Shiite Imams. [Just so you know, in the 9th century there weren't Shiites and Sunnis yet. There were Muslims, who were fighting each other over power. And later on they invented Sunni and Shiite parts of Islam. Also for a background, all the dead “Shiite” Imams of the earlier centuries, like Mousa Kadhum, Ali, Hussein, and others, are considered as Sunni Imams too and are very much respected by all Muslims because they descend from Profit Muhammed. Sunni Imams, like Abu Haneefa, Abdul Qadir Gailani, Ahmed Rifaie, and others, cannot be considered as Shiite Imams because not all of them share the same grandfather. Therefore, I told my friends yesterday that the terrorists played it wrong. if they want to provoke a civil war, they should attack shrines of Sunni Imams, because that would upset more Sunnis than Shiites, not like yesterday. Yesterday, the attack upset and angered Sunnis and Shiites equally.]

Here are some information,which, for whatever reason, you don’t get in your news about the bombing:

The first reaction to the bombing which “targeted a Shiite” shrine came from the Sunni residents of Samarra. The first demonstration to condemn the attack was held spontaneously by Sunnis in the area where the shrine is. Almost all Sunni leaders went on TV to condemn the attack and show solidarity and unity with the Shiites. Here are some of what the Sunni leaders said on TVs all day yesterday [that’s what I could get]

- Wafiq Samarraie, a Sunni politician from Samarra city and serves as Iraq’s president’s advisor for security issues. [from Arabiya satellite channel]
He said “Iamam Ali al-Hadi is not only for Shiites. The shrine is a symbol of all Iraqis and of Samara city in particular. I demand to dismiss the governor of the province and take all the legal procedures to prevent strife. There will be no strife in Iraq. Iraqis will not fight each other. Samarra city should be protected. The information is very clear. The government should have chased the terrorists in eastern Samarra and they are a few. The government and the governor should have done something this issue. I tell the tribes in Samarra, especially in eastern Samarra, that ‘ it is a shame to leave the strangers among you. You should inform the police force about them.’”

- The Iraqi Islamic Party, IIP, one of the most powerful Sunni political and religious groups, issued a statement saying: “The size of the wicked conspiracy that is targeting the Iraqis, their sacred symbols, and unity, is clear now. After the series of attacking mosques and assassinations of clergies, people of Samarra woke up today on the bombing of Imam Ali Al-Hadi dome. We, the Iraqi Islamic Party/ Samarra branch, denounce this criminal act and demand a wide investigation to reveal the controversies that raise many questions on who was behind this incident. The commandos have cordoned the holy shrine since last night and tide up its guards and put them in a room and the people of Samarra released them after the bombing. The commandos prevented shop owners from going to their shops in the morning and there was movement of the occupation forces in the city all night long. All these controversies and others need an honest and wide investigation to find the real criminals and not hide them no matter what the reason is. We in the Iraqi Islamic Party/ Samarra branch, urge our people to go in wide, peaceful demonstrations to condemn this crime. We also remind all Iraqis to protect their unity to prevent the chance for suspicious conspiracies, which target all Iraqis with no exception. IIP/ Samarra branch”

- Iraq’s Kurdish president, Jalal Talbani, net with tribal leaders and prominent figures from Salahudin province, where Samarra city is, and talked about the incident. [from Iraqiya satellite channel]
He said “This is a crime against Iraq as a whole, not against Shiites only. It aims to provoke a sectarian strife and a civil war among us. I hope the Sunni clergies would condemn this crime. We all are facing a conspiracy against Iraq and its entity. Therefore we should all unite to prevent the danger of civil war.”

- Tariq al-Hashimi, secretary general of the Iraqi Islamic Party, held a press conference yesterday. Some of what he said was: “"29 mosques were attacked either by burning or occupation using missiles and grenades. The IIP considers these attacks as historical crimes which everybody should work on stooping them. we call on everybody for the self control. There is a conspiracy against the Iraqi people. Everyone should cooperate to stop this conspiracy. This is a battle in which everyone wants to hurt the other."

- Abdil Aziz Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the Shiite party that controls the country now, appeared on Arabiya satellite channel and said: “The Sunnis had honorable reaction today. They rejected and condemned this crime. All of us should hold our hands together to combat terrorism.”

- Iraq’s Marjiyas [religious authorities] Shiite and Sunni, they all called on people to self-control and “peacefully” demonstrate together to condemn the attack. They specifically asked people “not to attack Sunni mosques or shrines.”

I was amazed how only the provocative and civil-war-style quotes were published today in the newspapers. Almost no newspaper showed how great, it appeared to us, the solidarity among Iraqis was yesterday. It is true that Sunni mosques were attacked by unknown men yesterday, and some Sunnis were killed. But that wasn’t the only thing happened as a reaction. Newspapers should have been neutral, as we were taught, and show both sides. Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, Arabs, Christians, Sabians, Turkumans, and others publicly condemned the attack, but no one wanted to show the truth. I am not saying there will be no riots in Iraq to react to the shrine attack. I am not saying there weren't mosques that were attacked yesterday and burned down. I am not saying that Shiites and Sunnis kissed and hugged after the attack yesterday. All what I am saying is that the news made Iraqis look like if they were fighting each other widely in the streets, which is not true. The news only made Iraqis sound like barbarians killing each other. There are barbarian Iraqis, like other people in the world, I am not saying all Iraqis are perfect and compete with angels in their manners. But why when anything good happens, they show the bad side of it too in their stories, but when any bad thing to happen, they only write about it and not the good sides around it?

All expect civil war in Iraq, which might happen although I don’t believe it would. Therefore, they want to contribute to the civil war’s first step. Shame on you all! Shame on the “free and honest” press!



TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: gnfi; iraq; samarra

1 posted on 02/25/2006 2:09:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Shame on the “free and honest” press!

Bears repeating!


2 posted on 02/25/2006 2:13:30 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Allegra; Marine_Uncle; bnelson44; jmc1969; WOSG; SandRat; Calpernia; Grampa Dave
So it isn't just a Shiite Shrine....damn! Picked this up from someone linking to this Blog at Belmont Club....

Belmont Club Link:

Friday, February 24, 2006
Zeyad reports from Baghdad

3 posted on 02/25/2006 2:13:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Damn I just went to bloggers forum and clicked on your latest, and bingo the red new posts popped up with a ping from you to read what I am reading... your brutal..... a real killer....he he.


4 posted on 02/25/2006 2:16:41 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

LOL....this really now looks like an Iran/Sadr caper....men in Black...Sadr militia...running around to "Guard Mosques"....


5 posted on 02/25/2006 2:24:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Perhaps a thought that may have some meat.
Ar Ramadda and Samarra have for the past six months or so been under increasing control by the US Army/Marines and Iraqi forces. They have in pitch battles been with the great HUMIT that has developed over the past year, weeding out the remaining insurgents both those of local ambitions, e.g. Baathist, Sunni Iraqi Jihadist groups, as well as al-Qaeda under direct control of the zman.
Now if our military reports are honest and accurate, one is lead to believe both these cities, one the provincial capital of Al Anbar, and the other a major sunni city, both in the NW cooridore of the Sunni Triangle, have been key cities for the insurgency to operate from.
OK. Now. I believe with the 24/7 pressure being applied to all the insurgent factions in these and associated towns, the al-Qaeda forces are on their last leg. No hope left for them as they have been pointed out, in some cases directly attacked by the sunni and shia local militas under the sheiks, plus of course the government troops and our guys.
So what better plan then to take one last stab at creating the sectarian civil war zman has tried so hard to ignite but to carefully plan to blow up a key shrine that could be perceived by some as a shiite holy shrine. Not that is the case as this article ably points out.
But what the article does not point out is large majorities of muslims have very little knowledge of their cult, OK they call it a religion(s).
To many of them at best they are only educated/obedient to adhering to the Six Articles of Faith and the Five Pillars of Faith. Beyond this they are simple people. Some take on the task of having their local iman teach them how to parrot a given series of verses from the Quaran which in most cases they have not the slightest concept as to what the hell they are even saying, they are just parrots, trying to please allah somehow. So these poor folks are easily swayed within a few micro seconds if some local turbin head tells them to grab their guns and protect allah'a house or to blow up the other cults allah's house. They are simple folk. That follow their leader or face the consequencies.
So I see no reason why zman would not have with the help of a few Saddamist army folk well trained in setting charges move in quickly and set the job up to look like regular sunni or for that matter some of Sadr's local goons, who hardly are trained in military methods, remember most or just local yokals that are given a gun to carry around and shoot into the air so the bullets come down on some poor gals or kids head and kill them, as the goons move forward trampling each other.....damn I'm getting good ah.
I don't pretend to know who did the dirty deed, I just can see the setup coming from either some group of pros from Iran, or some al-Qaeda group with now sufficient skills or hired ex army demolition types, or Saddamist ex army on their own, may have pulled this stunt off.
I have a feeling this time around the fat boy is innocent of the charge. Then again I have been proven wrong before that is for sure.
6 posted on 02/25/2006 2:58:37 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well.....the "Men in Black" ...sure seemed to be appearing all over the place....I still suspect Sadr....or Iran...


7 posted on 02/25/2006 3:06:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Perhaps the truth will come out.


8 posted on 02/25/2006 3:59:30 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; My back yard; djreece; ...
The shrine is a symbol of all Iraqis and of Samara city in particular. I demand to dismiss the governor of the province and take all the legal procedures to prevent strife. There will be no strife in Iraq. Iraqis will not fight each other. Samarra city should be protected. The information is very clear. The government should have chased the terrorists in eastern Samarra and they are a few. The government and the governor should have done something this issue. I tell the tribes in Samarra, especially in eastern Samarra, that ‘ it is a shame to leave the strangers among you. You should inform the police force about them.’”
9 posted on 02/25/2006 7:46:03 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I go with Sadar and Hizbollah (Sadar was just in Lebanon) who we all know is sponsored by Iran.

The reason I say this is the way the dome was destroyed, it's less than a hundred years old, and yet the tombs of the Imans were not touched and there was little damage to the 1100 year old mosque. Al Qaeda would have destroyed the whole thing because they believe that shrines are the same as idols. In that they are Wahabi or Salifasts. They would not have taken care to only destroy the dome.

10 posted on 02/25/2006 8:28:49 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
All expect civil war in Iraq, which might happen although I don’t believe it would. Therefore, they want to contribute to the civil war’s first step. Shame on you all! Shame on the “free and honest” press!

How very true.

The media couldn't report the reaction to the bombing as it really was because it didn't support their agenda. The media has desperately wanted a civil war in Iraq for over two years now and they'll do everything they can to help stir it up.

11 posted on 02/26/2006 2:54:33 AM PST by Allegra (wear our the cats?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well.....the "Men in Black" ...sure seemed to be appearing all over the place....I still suspect Sadr....or Iran...

Sadr is evil and he is appearing in public these days.

Why doesn't somebody just....you know...shoot him? {rhetorical question...}

12 posted on 02/26/2006 3:57:58 AM PST by Allegra (wear our the cats?)
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