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What IS Wrong With Ron Paul?
Publius' Forum ^ | 8/9/07 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/09/2007 7:35:26 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

I have been watching with interest the candidacy of Libertarian Ron Paul. Like many, I've been wondering what the heck he is doing in this race in the first place. Let's face it, even in the GOP field of candidates he doesn't fit in well. Naturally, he is a whipping boy for the GOP establishment... well, maybe just a laughing stock, would be more accurate. But, there is real substance to Mr. Paul, a substance that is all too easy to gloss over by focusing on his quirks. And he does serve a very important purpose; he helps bring the debate to the right, a necessary pull with Mitt the Malleable and Rudy the lefty in the race.

Being of a libertarian bent myself, I see a lot of merit in Mr. Paul's focus on taking government out of things as opposed to trying to find new and expansive (not to mention expensive) ways for government to meddle in our lives. His voice is a welcome change in this direction.

However, his chief flaw is his overly simplistic approach to the war -- and this is the single most important issue of our day. This is the main reason he is uncredible as a possible president one who, should he be elected, would have to deal far more with foreign threats and diplomacy than that of other, past presidents.

Last Sunday's debate was a prime example of the unsuitability of his candidacy for our times. From his constant and easily ridiculed use of the word "Neocons" in practically every answer he gave, to his policy suggestion that we "just leave" Iraq as if it were merely a bad movie we could walk out on with no consequences, made him look... well... off his nut. Like I said, I agree with much of Mr. Paul's ideas on government. But his claim that we should "just leave" Iraq is entirely empty of any thought whatsoever. If he were the president in charge of the original decision, he could have been heeded and let the chips fall where they may. However, he would be a president that would inherit this situation already developed. This being true there is no serious option to "just leave" and be done with it without causing irreparable damage to all parties concerned. Well, all parties but al Qaeda that is.

In fact, during the debate he mentioned that we should also have "just left" Vietnam but didn't seem to recognize the many millions that communism murdered after we did, ultimately, just leave. Additionally, his denial that the "domino theory" is discredited was so wrong it is laughable. The theory that communism would over take every small nation in its path was absolutely true. The only reason they are not all still communist (even as some still are) today is because the Soviet's communism failed to sustain itself. This ultimate failure does not discredit the domino theory and the fact that more countries didn't turn to communism is expressly because we fought communism via the Cold War. It was not mere happenstance as Paul seems to contend.

Still, I disagree with people that say his ideas of isolationism are not "conservative" ideas, of course. In fact, his stay-out-of-it attitude is one of the oldest conservative policy ideas since day one of any conservative movement in America. Since the turn of the century the GOP had the stay-out-of-it mode of thinking and this idea persisted as a common GOP attitude until recently. This included being skeptical of the 1900s "American Empire" as well as wishing to stay out of both World Wars, Korea and Vietnam. This particular idea is based on a somewhat mistaken belief in language contained in Washington's Final Address to the nation upon his retirement. Many conservatives feel George Washington warned against foreign entanglements in that address. This, however, is based on an incomplete knowledge of what was already going on in Washington D.C. (and had been for decades before Washington retired) between the US government and foreign nations and what Washington really meant. A closer reading of history would support that, at the time of his retirement, Washington thought the USA was not militarily ready for such entanglements, and could not back up whatever position the country would take, not that the USA should never get in them in the future. Regardless of its beginning, though, Republicans have usually leaned toward a trade-with-them but stay-out-of-it ideal.

In this Paul is living up to the more prevalent GOP inclination. And I cannot say he is wholly wrong in this inclination on an average day, in a relatively safe and stable world.

But we are not in average times. Al Qaeda would love us to fall back to old GOP isolationism so that they could roam the world unopposed doing their level best to murder and steal their way to power. There is no material difference between the threat that Islamofascism presents to us and that which Adolph Hitler's empire building presented in the 1930's. The only real difference is that Islamofascism is not all rolled up in the personage of one man who controls one militant state as did Hitler.

But, this difference makes their efforts at the same time more resilient and far more dangerous than was Hitler. And this is a point that Ron Paul's overly simplistic policy of "just go home" cannot contend with.

Abandoning the battlefield will neither make us safe, nor solve the Islamofacist problem. Nor would our "just leaving" turn Islamofascism from "our" problem to "their" problem by virtue of our barricading ourselves within our own borders, leaving the problem to Europe and others to contend with. It would not be safely left "over there" should we just abandon the whole enterprise of the War on Terror. Not only is this a craven action against our allies by abandoning them in a time of great need, but it will not, in the end, make us any safer at all for the simple fact that it will merely follow us home from Iraq.

By the terrorist's own words and deeds, Iraq is the central front for the Jihadist movements. If we turn tail and run, this will not mollify them but will embolden them to gather strength and follow us home, here, to our very shores.

Ron Paul has some great ideas about limited government. I like a much of what he says. But Ron Paul is not the man we need to lead us in these dangerous times. In fact, he’s just the wrong one.

Update: 8/9/07

Brit Hume is reporting that Ron Paul is responsible for grabbing $400 million worth of earmarks for Texas this year. Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul — who is campaigning as a critic of congressional overspending — has revealed that he is requesting $400 million worth of earmarks this year.

The Wall Street Journal reports Paul's office says those requests include $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing.

A spokesman says, "Reducing earmarks does not reduce government spending, and it does not prohibit spending upon those things that are earmarked. What people who push earmark reform are doing is they are particularly misleading the public — and I have to presume it's not by accident." OK, what is the deal with Mr. Constitution here?

Now, I have lost even more respect for him. Though, granted, in this age it is awful hard to exist as a politician without participating in such theft, still it is amazing that Mr. Constitution did it considering his vehement and vociferous declamations against others.

I guess Mr. Constitution is not so staunch a believer as he claims?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2008elections; cocktailsauce; crustacea; neoconsundermybed; paulbearers; paulestinians; paulistas; porkzilla; ronpaul; scampi; shrimp; tinfoil
He is almost there... until he starts saying "Neocons" this and "Neocons" that!
1 posted on 08/09/2007 7:35:28 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus; Petronski; SoldierDad; BlackElk; bnelson44

I’m going to run out of popcorn at this rate...


2 posted on 08/09/2007 7:38:10 AM PDT by Allegra (8)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I think Ronny-boy has a touch of senility; he was a lot better candidate in ‘88.


3 posted on 08/09/2007 7:39:35 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Mobile Vulgus
No he is the whipping boy for all sane rational people that realize in the post 09-11 world, having a brave Sir Robin type of National Security policy is the worst sort of idiocy.

Ron “Runnnnnnn Awaaaaaaaaaayyyyy” Paul is an utter idiot. People are mindlessly devoted to him because he punches this or that hot button for them. Problem is you don’t elect a President on this or that issue, you elect him on the whole package.

And looking at his whole package, Paul is dangerously naive or stupid

4 posted on 08/09/2007 7:39:35 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Well 70% of the public agrees with him on Iraq.

What’s wrong with the other GOP candidates?


5 posted on 08/09/2007 7:40:04 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Mobile Vulgus

It’s not so much what’s wrong with Ron Paul as it is what’s wrong with his supporters who don’t recognize that much of his support comes from democrats who won’t vote for him.


6 posted on 08/09/2007 7:40:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

7 posted on 08/09/2007 7:42:17 AM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender Monkey for GOP nominee.)
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To: MNJohnnie

"...having a brave Sir Robin type of National Security policy is the worst sort of idiocy."

LOL! True, yet funny at the same time.

Check out the chicken on the shield.

8 posted on 08/09/2007 7:45:49 AM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender Monkey for GOP nominee.)
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To: ex-snook

So you want oppurtunistic mob rule?


9 posted on 08/09/2007 7:54:57 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: SolidWood

It’s called an election.


10 posted on 08/09/2007 8:01:33 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Allegra
Bump for later laughs..
11 posted on 08/09/2007 8:04:22 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

My guess is that Ron Paul will end up running as a third party candidate, which will help Hillary.


12 posted on 08/09/2007 8:05:18 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: Jaysun

I kind of feel he will think his duty done and won’t run as a third party candidate.


13 posted on 08/09/2007 8:27:36 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: MNJohnnie
And looking at his whole package, Paul is dangerously naive or stupid

Ron Paul has non "whole package", he's a collection of sound bites, as you note. Of his major issues, withdraw from all foreign commitments, eliminate the income tax and social security, reduce the size of government, not a one has an iota of planning presented to back up the soundbites.

14 posted on 08/09/2007 8:34:12 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: ex-snook

No it’s called bowing to media influenced sheeple who change their opinion after each up and down and changing politics in accord to “opinion” polls.

This wouldn’t be the Republic the United States is supposed to be.


15 posted on 08/09/2007 8:36:20 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

CAUTION PRECAUCION ATTENTION
VORSICHT ПРЕДУПРЕЖДЕНИЕ
주의 ATTENZIONE 注意

The Paulbearer Moonbattery Factor for this Thread HAS BEEN ELEVATED to

WATERMELON

THIS IS NOT A DRILL


16 posted on 08/09/2007 9:35:13 AM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“What IS Wrong With Ron Paul”

He’s Ross Perot’s and Wesley Clark’s retarded love child....


17 posted on 08/09/2007 9:37:00 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
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18 posted on 08/09/2007 9:49:51 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

THE ANSWER: The reason Ron Paul is in the GOP race is to show how few Republicans want to surrender in Iraq.


19 posted on 08/09/2007 10:47:56 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: Mobile Vulgus
In fact, during the debate he mentioned that we should also have "just left" Vietnam but didn't seem to recognize the many millions that communism murdered after we did, ultimately, just leave.

The millions who were killed while the U.S. was there don't matter, I guess.

20 posted on 08/09/2007 4:30:27 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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