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CAIR's Rebuttal {Updated}
Cinnamon Stillwell's Blog ^ | Updated 1/7/8 | Cinnamon Stillwell

Posted on 01/07/2008 1:59:21 PM PST by SmithL

SFGate printed a rebuttal from CAIR to my column, "Savage vs. CAIR: The Battle over Free Speech" today titled, "Free Speech vs. Hate Speech."

It consists of the usual CAIR talking points and obfuscation and the author, CAIR-San Francisco Bay Area Executive Director Safaa Ibrahim, demonstrates a marked lack of understanding (whether purposeful or not) of the concept of free speech. In addition, she doesn't disprove any of the allegations made in my article. And, if the reader comments are any indication, the American public isn't buying it.

Update (1/5): Conservatarian weighs in on CAIR's "dissimulation" here and Douglas Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network provides some words of wisdom on the subject here.


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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: cair; seenthelight; terrorsupporters
Update (1/7): House of Eratosthenes chimes in on CAIR's ineffective PR campaign here.

Update II: A reader reminded me of a similar case involving CAIR's Canadian branch, CAIR-CAN, in 2006. CAIR-CAN sued Canadian terrorism expert David Harris for libel because of an utterly innocuous comment he made during a radio interview. But Harris refused to back down and in the wake of the Anti-CAIR victory in the U.S. (and, quite possibly, the prospect of a meddlesome trial), CAIR-CAN dropped its suit.

Harris elaborates on the case here, as does David Frum at National Post. Both he and the publication were targeted by CAIR-CAN in yet another failing bid to silence free speech. Further examples of "CAIR's Growing Litigiousness" can be found at Daniel Pipes' (with whom I work) weblog.

It's interesting to note CAIR and its affiliates' predilection for employing libel law, just like certain Saudi billionaires, to silence criticism. Indeed, using the West's legal system to try and push an Islamist agenda (by, in part, stifling opponents) is all the rage these days. Whether these efforts succeed or fail remains to be seen.
1 posted on 01/07/2008 1:59:23 PM PST by SmithL
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Follow-up to the following threads:

Savage vs. CAIR: The battle over free speech
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/19/7 | Cinnamon Stillwell

Free speech vs. hate speech
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/4/8 | Safaa Ibrahim

2 posted on 01/07/2008 2:00:22 PM PST by SmithL (Fred!)
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To: SmithL

There may be a misunderstanding among CAIR advocates about libel law. What works in England may not work in the US where there are different standards/definitions of “libel” (for example several passages in Bill Clinton’s autobiography had to be altered for the UK edition of his book).


3 posted on 01/07/2008 2:35:38 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: SmithL

An Amish farmer walking through his field, notices a man drinking from his pond.

The Amish farmer shouts: “Trink das wasser nicht. Die kuhen haben dahin gesheissen.”

Which means: “Don’t drink the water, the cows have shit in it.”

The man shouts back: “I’m a Muslim, I don’t understand. Please speak in English.”

The Amish farmer says: “Use two hands. You’ll get more.”


4 posted on 01/07/2008 2:37:32 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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