The only way you guys can win is to get the smoking gun.
With the subpoena the State has to furnish you with a copy of the vault copy and provide the document to the court as well you can ask that your expert(s) examine the document. I think you may want an independent lab to test the document for authenticity (rate of the documents oxidation, etc. to see that it was in fact issued in August 1961) should the document indicate that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. I don't think that the document will say that, but you never know.
The fact that Obama has simply opened up the vault for examination only leads to the conclusion that he does not have a valid Hawaiian birth certificate,but only that the birth was recorded in Hawaii.
Additionally, you should get subpoena for HHS on Barry Soetoro or all his other aliases for his student aid application. If in fact he applied for aid as a foreign student either HHS or DoS has to have the document(s). This can also be FOIA'd in a plenary action in the US Court for the District of Columbia. Additionally, DHS may have from ICE a record of his Indonesian passport's entry and exit from the US in the past. If this guy has an Indonesian Passport recorded by our government, or his entry into Pakistan on an Indonesian passport...he is, as you know, toast.
The truth is out there!
But you guys have got to either FOIA or subpoena it. It isn't currently going to magically appear in your mailbox.
However, after this Rick Warren announcement you never know what certain individuals in certain quarters will do?
Get moving with the subpoena to the Federal District Court in Hawaii, time is of the essence.
Anyway, were expecting snow and Phil probably needs a few days in the sun in Honolulu.
You asked — “Why hasn’t Berg simply asked Justice Kennedy for a subpoena for the vault copy or in the alternative taken a subpoena request to the Federal District for Hawaii and gotten a Federal (not Hawaii state judge) to issue a subpoena for the vault copy?”
I think it’s because Berg is busy with the case about the 9/11 attack and how Bush was involved in it... I mean, that takes up a lot of time to show that Bush was involved in the attack on the Towers (and Pentagon). Being a 9/11 Truther is not a job Berg can slack off on...
OR..., it could be because Berg *also* represent Chief Editor Korir of the African Press International in trying to get out the Michelle Obama tape recording where Obama’s wife basically admits that he’s not a natural born citizen. Berg has officially said that he was representing ole “Chief Editor Korir” so depending on where the Chief Editor is hiding out now, it could be a busy time for Berg...
Other than that — I don’t know what other tin-foil hat issues that Berg is working on...
Everyone has been bought off. This whole system is so corrupt. It won’t change until -
If incontrovertible evidence came to light that showed Obama was not eligible, civil war would be unavoidable. Even if Congress would have the Constitutional authority to choose someone else, any selection they could make would be seen as illegitimate by a very large percentage of the population. The Supreme Court is not going to undertake any action that would produce such a result. It simply isn't going to happen.
The remedy that would best honor the Constitution, and have the best chance of averting civil war, would be to require that Obama provide prima facie evidence of eligibility. Since the state of Hawaii claims to have his birth records, the Court should state that Obama will be deemed eligible for office as soon as the state of Hawaii states officially and unequivocally that he was born there. Obama is free to authorize the release of that information whenever he sees fit; if January 20 comes without him having authorized the release, Biden would serve as Acting President but Barack would remain President-Elect, able to serve as soon as the state confirms his eligibility.
Under that scenario, Barack could be kept out of the White House without his ineligibility ever having to be exposed. Rather than being declared "ineligible", he would be "not eligible yet", and given clear instructions how to become eligible. Any delay beyond that point would be purely Barack's own decision.
The Supreme Court is an appellate court. They don't take evidence or hear trials, and the Supreme Court rules therefore give them no power to issue subpoenas. Even when they hear a case-- and they hear only the ones 4 Justices vote to hear-- they only review the legal resoning of the court below.
What do you mean “YOU GUYS” ?
Are you not an American who believes in the Constitution?
Or at the very least a fellow FReeper who believes in upholding the rule of law?
I don't mean to jump on your comment, but we Americans need to stand together. This isn't time to completely pass the buck.
I apologize ahead of time if you are not an American citizen. But if you are please pray for justice, write letters to whoever you can, and help to get the word out.
If “we” all helped out a little the noise would be deafening.
The issue of ‘natural born’ is at the heart of Phil Berg’s case. Just presenting the vault copy will not address that central issue and it is something so convoluted, SCOTUS is the only way to reach a diffinitive answer.