Violence is Not the Answer

Clearly Nebulous ^ | June 1, 2009 | Colette Moran

[CMoran325]

There is only one appropriate reaction to the murder of Dr. Tiller: condemnation.

No statements about whether or not he had time to make himself right with God, no questions about whether or not he had put himself in harm's way. No one deserves to be killed in cold blood. This is not a battlefield. No matter how frustrated one may be about the fight for the preborn, no matter how many lives are lost to the tragedy of abortion -- it does not serve our cause, nor help anyone in the long run to turn to maniacal acts.

In fact, it is the very idea that another single person is the cause of troubles that perpetuates the deaths of over 3,000 little souls every day. Over one million times every year, a woman believes that killing the child within her is the solution to her troubles.

If those deaths are wrong, so is this one. Our cause, and the world in general, would be better served if we all championed the value of every person -- or at least the potential of every person.

Who knows? Dr. Tiller could have been the next Dr. Nathanson.

Dr. Bernard Nathanson was the doctor who first persuaded the leaders of women's groups to fight for abortion. He later had an epiphany, denounced his actions, and is now one of the most relevant voices in the pro-life movement.

Maybe not. Maybe Dr. Tiller would have gone to his grave with the delusion that he was helping women. Despite all the evidence to the contrary -- for instance, that pro-life doctors have testified that they have never come across a single case where a pregnant woman's life or health was threatened that could not be treated in a manner that allowed both mother and child to have a chance.

Despite the fact that all the ills that abortion is supposed to cure are instead growing exponentially. Despite the evidence that abortions -- especially late-term ones -- haunt women and cause them mental duress. Despite the fact that an unknown number of those late-term abortions are performed for reasons that are only discovered to be incorrect when it is far too late -- instead of a "monster" emerging from the womb, a perfect little child is delivered who had the misfortune of a "false-positive diagnosis."

But you never know. Hearts and minds can be changed. If we stress the value of motherhood, support women in their times of crisis, extol the value of every person no matter what their challenges may be, show that there is always a better answer than abortion, and point out that some choices are wrong no matter how long you think about them or how many professional opinions you seek or how certain you think you are in a time of incredible pressure that this is what is "best"...

Stand up, be strong, speak your mind, do good works to help support women and children -- but do not resort to violence.

[Ajnin]

Our cause, and the world in general, would be better served if we all championed the value of every person -- or at least the potential of every person.

Wishful thinking. You can't be magnanimous towards those that are willing to murder the most innocent among us and expect to win.

[SoConPubbie]

I shudder to think what Dr. Tiller's eternity will be like.

God will not be easy on those who murder the most defenseless in our society and die in an unrepentant fashion.

[Brilliant]

This guy was convicted of bomb-possession, but a court let him off the hook because of an illegal search, which would not have happened but for liberal judges inventing the “exclusionary rule.” In short, I blame this murder on the libs.

[srweaver]

In your world, is there any possible way for a person to forfeit their “right” to live?

Is there EVER any possible circumstance that calls for the use of deadly force?

[TigersEye]

In fact, it is the very idea that another single person is the cause of troubles that perpetuates the deaths of over 3,000 little souls every day. Over one million times every year, a woman believes that killing the child within her is the solution to her troubles.

Yep. Once you establish the precedent that killing a helpless infant is an acceptable solution to lifestyle and emotional problems it becomes a certainty that someone will extrapolate that killing is an acceptable solution to other problems. On the emotional level there isn't much argument against it.

[Jeff Head]

Pardon the length of this, and some of its dirctness...but, IMHO, it needs saying and contemplating.

We live in an era where the most violent, brutal, sick, depraved atocity is being accepted by far too many in our society as "ok" and common place, because they have been protected by corrupt law.

Sooner or later, the balance scale of history, nature, and nature's God will be balanced and corrected on this matter.

God in Heaven will not stand forever by and allow the unmitigatd slaughter and genocide of his most innocent children to go unanswered.

We MUST continue to do all in our power to turn this around...but every day we ae not successful in so doing, another approximately 3,300 living souls are butchered...and I mean butchered in the most littoral sense.

Most of us are not acquanited with the extent or graphic nature of the butchery that is going on in American, protected by corrupt law. Most do not want to be acquainted with it. Pardon the graphich nature of the following photo...but this is what is going on every day, thosuands of time a day, across this nation:

That is the gruesome truth of what is occuring. App. 3,300 a day, app. 1.2 million per year. Over 50 million to date.

Dr. Tiller trafficed in that type of gruedome death and profited from it. He was worse than Dr. Mengle or Goebbles of Germany. He advertised for it, he revelled in it.

Most people say that there are only perhaps three valid reasons to commit violence against others:

1) In a justified war.
2) To protect your own life and liberty, or that of those dear to you.
3) To protect your property.

For years the Islamic Jihadists were at war with us and we did not treat it as such. It took a dastardly major attack to swing the pendulm...and then only for a short while.

I fear greatly for our nation when I realize that not even the gruesome death of 50 million has produced in ourselves as a society the will to FORCE this to stop. Perhaps we should realize that the culture of eath has been at war with us for over 45 years...and the death toll has been staggering.

When will be the proper time to respond with force? After 65 million? After 100 millon?

Or perhaps it will be ater they open live abortion centers all across this land where people can bring in their unwanted children who are mentally challeged, physically challenged, or just too inconvienent up to 24 months. Will that be the right time?

Don't kid yourself, there are forces and voices in this country pushing towards that type of thing.

We should all ask ourslves these questions because it is the stark reality of what is going on...and then seriously think about and pray about the answers.

Clearly, in Nazi Germany, in the 1930s, the time to stop what that culture of death produced there was long before the concentration and death camps wer created.

Well, we have death clinics already in place all over this land, and have had for decades

And do not try and say it is not the same. What we are seeing done here under color of law, IMHO, is even worse. Slaughtering the most defenseless souls amongst us, those with no choice, and no ability to avoid it. Can't run, can't hide...can only utter a silent scream within the very wound of their mother as they are literally ripped asunder.

I pray we can halt this genocide and slaughter in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box.

But our forefather's hoped the same thing over slavery (on bith sides) until the bloodletting came. I fear God in Heaven will already hold us all, our entire society, reponsible for the magnitude of this evil.

I know this...if it ever does come to a war over this topic, I know excatly what side I will be on.

If, God forid, it does come to that...and with the evil depravity that has gotten ahold of so many hearts amongst on this issue (like, "I don't want my children punished with a baby"), I fear it may well.

Then like John Brown, we may find that this individual, who "went to war" at a time when it was clerly illegal to do so (though it is legal for the butchers to rip those children part for profit), was on the right side of history after all.

[OpeEdMunkey]

Violence is Not the Answer

Well...it would matter what the question is wouldn't it?

[TheConservativeParty]

Was it “violent” for Tiller to tear babies apart just before they could draw their first breath? Wasn’t it even worse because he did this evil deed many thousands of times? Tiller had a much less painful execution than he gave to the babies he dismembered and threw in the trash. Perhaps he would have preferred the manner of death that he used on the almost born children he killed? Getting shot was vastly more humane than getting aborted. Maybe if there is true justice in the afterlife, Tiller is being given some of his own brand of medical treatment, over and over, for all eternity.

[OpeEdMunkey]

Is there EVER any possible circumstance that calls for the use of deadly force?

Yes. There is.

Every time some POS decides to invade a house or threaten a life I'm all for blowing 'em right back out through door. Or window if need be.

[Lurker]

Your last name is misspelled.

L

[Noumenon]

We have allowed a culture of death to prevail in almost every institution that matters. The result was, is and will contiune to be, monstrous. Monstrous.

The systematic devaluation of human life was always and ever the goal of the Machiavellian, Gramscian Left. If your aim is to slaughter and/or enslave 60%, 70%, even 80% of the human race just so that you could sit atop a pile of ruins and stinking corpses and call yourself King, well, than it all makes perfect, terrible and horrible sense.

Those of us who value freedom and answer to our Creator are the eternal enemies of such as this. They hate us. They want us dead. They want to numb and overwhelm our sensibilities with the horrors and atrocities that they’re encourage and allowed to flourish. THEY WANT US TO GET USED TO IT!

To a frightening and sickening extent - they’ve succeeded.

We now have celebrations of this senseless slaughter (senseless to us, not to them) with what Solzhenitsy ndescribed as ‘prescribed smiled and raised glasses’. We gee the glorification of Tiller as a maytyr to a cause. Just don’t take too close a look at that ‘cause’ or its consequences.

I agree with you, Jeff. And that now labels me as a ‘domestic terrorist’ in some quarters. So be it. That distant thunder that some of us can hear rolling through far-off hills is war. War is coming. Here. Soon. God help us all.

[srweaver]

Thank you for your well stated and appropriately graphic post. God gets to look at every grusomely dismembered, aborted baby every day. I fear we do not even BEGIN to have His heart on this matter.

[wardaddy]

Amen brother.

This has taught me I’m anti-abortion.

Not pro-life...so be it.

[rightwingjew]

The graphic picture of the aborted baby reminds me of the premature birth of our middle child. She was born at 24 weeks and weighed 18 oz. She is now 21 yrs old and a senior at Bob Jones University. She will graduate with a degree in Biblical Counseling. Has a 3.5 GPA. She is blind as a result of the very early birth. She can read braille faster than most of us can read print. She has the sweetest spirit of our three children. Life is more precious than we know.

[LearsFool]

Well...it would matter what the question is wouldn't it?

Indeed it would!

When Tiller The Baby Killer was confronted with the question, his answer was "Slice and dice, baby!" (Somebody please explain to these bloodthirsty, sociopathic defenders of abortion and abortionists that "violence is not the answer.")

For myself, I'll side with God, and know when violence is the answer:

"Whoso sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made He man." - Genesis 9:6

[CMoran325]

“Your last name is misspelled.”

Wow. NEVER heard that one before!

[CMoran325]

I wanted to focus on this event — to disclaim violence.

Violence is the tool of those who seek power by suppressing the rights of those who are weak or helpless.

Certainly deadly force is warranted in self-defense, and it doesn’t have to be immediate danger or used at the last second.

Would saying that I’m a big fan of “24” and that I think Jack Bauer is an American icon explain a bit where I come from?

[calex59]

So, how about the murder of two Army recruiters? Condemning those also?

[Lurker]

to turn to maniacal acts.

This was most definetely NOT a maniacal act. Tiller was a discrete target, chosen because of his actions. No one else was harmed. That is not the action of a maniac.

Dr. Tiller could have been the next Dr. Nathanson

Yea, and Ted Bundy could have become the next Albert Schweitzer. No matter what Tiller could have been, the fact is he was a cold blooded unapologetic child murderer.

If those deaths are wrong, so is this one.

This is perhaps the most insipid, morally bankrupt, and just plain stupid argument of the entire waste of words you penned.

It's akin to saying that because what John Wayne Gacy did was wrong, he couldn't be executed because, well "that's wrong, too."

Sometimes violence is a perfectly rational, healthy, and morally justifiable imperative. Tiller murdered babies. Period.

There was only one way to stop him, and that way happened.

Here's a thought:

If you don't want to catch a bullet from someone who really believes that abortion is murder and is willing to act on that belief, don't go into the business of murdering babies.

L