Posted on 07/04/2009 11:35:12 AM PDT by frog in a pot
“Until earlier this month, this was a nation of laws, not of men…”, so wrote Steve Stanek at Heartland.org in his May, 2009 article, “Obama Extortion Shatters the Rule of Law”. The statement is well supported in the article and should raise an alarm for Americans.Other alarms have been raised in past weeks; have you listened to some of the more courageous talk show hosts recently? They emphatically warn that our country is being hijacked politically. Indeed, some believe the act is almost completed. The unfortunate truth of the matter is that many Americans are busy with family or other obligations, and are too busy to recognize the hijack and have no reason to be concerned.
How many Americans know and understand what it means that President Obama has been surrounded by communists and other anti-Americans since his high chair days, and that some are with him even now in the Oval Office?
How many realize with only one more nomination to the U. S. Supreme Court (after Sotomayor or her stand-in) that Obama, described next above, will own all three branches of government?
How many believe the 2nd Amendment will survive in that setting?
How many Americans stop to consider that “Government exists by consent of the governed; however, if the governed are denied the right of self defense, those in power may exist in whatever form they choose.”
How many realize the 2nd Amendment does not give Americans a right to bear arms? USA Today asks in a current poll, “Does the 2nd Amendment give us the right to bear arms?” 97% of 2.8 million respondents answered “Yes”.
Granted, the poll did not ask “Does the 2nd Amendment forbid government infringement on the right to bear arms that existed prior to adoption of the U.S. Constitution?” So the respondents took the best of three bad options, “Yes”, “No” (3%) or “Uncertain” (1%).
Lady Jag offers what has to be the bottom line for the poll, “If 97% of citizens believe the Second Amendment asserts that we all can and should be armed, why does the "government" disagree? ?” Indeed, the very next question should be: “How dare the government disagree and on what basis?”
How many understand the frightening significance of the advice Obama recently gave his trusting 52% constituency: that it is lawful for a President to overrule his country’s Congress and Supreme Court?
How many understand that the agenda-driven people who thought up the recent 1500 hundred page anti-capitalist, socialist, economy-breaking bill, that no legislator could have read prior to voting, will remain active in governmental affairs for the foreseeable future?
How many doubt that Obama is moving to grant amnesty to illegal aliens and provide for relatively open borders in order to bring in more voters?
It seems imperative that we disrupt the momentum of the bulldozer politics that are occurring before our eyes. At the least, we have got to buy time until the 2010 elections, deal ourselves some cards, or however you want to describe the action.
One tactic would be to challenge Congress to follow the law regarding President Obama’s eligibility. Obama may be eligible to serve, but it is doubtful in the absence of credible evidence.
There is such a challenge in the form of a sharply pointed, but factual 1st Amendment petition and you will find its address below.
Over the past two days, the petition has been sent to more than 60 national TV and radio figures, columnists and other public figures - many of whom are undoubtedly away for the long weekend. The petition has not yet gathered speed, but it has garnered some well known names while yet in its infancy. See, for instance, the signature of Col. Bob Pappas, an active columnist (for one of his latest, www.gulf1.com/columns/pappas/pappasframe.htm), see also that of J.B. Williams a widely published columnist (for one of his latest see, http://www.newmediajournal.us/).
Some think challenging the President’s credentials might warrant a “visit from the authorities”. Some ask, “Do we put our families at risk by such an action?
Consider for a moment the Americans that pledged everything dear to them and stepped up during the Revolutionary War and during the many battles our nation has since fought. There is a very long list of battlegrounds, even just during our lifetime: Omaha and Utah Beaches, Battle of the Bulge, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Chosin Reservoir, Hue, Ia Drang Valley, Fallujah, Nasiriyah and this very day, Nawa, to name but a few.
Indeed, every location where an American dies in service to the nation is such a battleground because wherever the U.S. military is abroad, it is there solely to achieve or maintain freedom. If only we are so lucky in the final judgment to stand with those Americans.
Unlike other similar petitions, this petition sets out pertinent and actionable facts and it presents a specific and clear request that Congress take the action we citizens think it is obligated to take. The petition will be successful if a) it can obtain a place in the national conversation, and b) it is addressed on each floor of Congress, and efforts are being made in those regards.
If you agree with the petition please sign it and send the petition website to everyone you know: family, friends, neighbors, colleagues, every real American you know.
Thank You!
frog in a pot
An American who believes the Constitution is “fundamentally flawed” should be placed on probation until they recognize that after more than 230 years the Constitution is how it is intended to be, that it has provided a culture and standard of life previously unseen in the history of humans. They should also recognize that we are determined that no one messes with it.
Let me state that I applaud the petition. All I ask is that the Senate be fair and reasonable. Apply the same standards to Obama that they applied to McCain.
Quotes from the hearings on John McCain’s status as a natural born citizen in order to be eligible to hold office as the president.
(Thursday, April 10, 2008) – Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) today introduced a resolution expressing the sense of the U.S. Senate that presidential candidate and current Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) is a ‘natural born Citizen,’ as specified in the Constitution and eligible to run for President.
“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.
Statement Of Senator Patrick LeahyApril 10, 2008;
John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American Naval base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936. Numerous legal scholars have looked into the purpose and intent of the “natural born Citizen” requirement. As far as I am aware, no one has unearthed any reason to think that the Framers would have wanted to limit the rights of children born to military families stationed abroad or that such a limited view would serve any noble purpose enshrined in our founding document. Based on the understanding of the pertinent sources of constitutional meaning, it is widely believed that if someone is born to American citizens anywhere in the world they are natural born citizens.
Now, simply put. Did Obama have TWO American Citizens as parents?
The answer from Obama’s own mouth was No, his father was a Kenyan National.
Why has our Senate examined McCain but not Obama with the same microscope?
Is it not one of the precepts of our republic that there be Equal treatment under the law and justice for all?
If having two parents who are American Citizens makes you a Natural Born Citizen by default, then having only one parent being an American citizen and one being of a foreign nation MAKES YOU ANYTHING BUT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
Mr. Obama Is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
BUT I AM!
And as such I have signed the petition demanding that the congress of these United States examine the issue as they did with John McCain.
I am not asking for a miracle or something that is unfair. But I am asking that the congress treat people equally!
Examine Obama as they did McCain with the same yardstick and the same eye.
Bumpin’ it.
Happy Fourth!
Thank you, and done.
I believe that a man who cannot prove he is a natural born citizen of the United States,
may in fact not even be qualified to be _Resident of the United States.
bump
Constitutional erosion from the courts and our governemnt.
We are being usurped and controlled by the United Nations more and more.
Please view these.
Stop the “Real ID” Act, S.1261 (worth watching!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kE8xDMokpM
http://www.jonchristianryter.com/News_Folder/Behind.html
The latest article on BEHIND THE HEADLINES tells you how Obama’s government lawyers are trying to sabotage Kerchner v Obama, et al. One of the lawyers argued that ... while the 1st Amendment guarantees people the right “...to petition the government for a redress of grievances ... this right to petition does not include a corresponding right to a response.” She continued that people do not have “... a constitutional right to force the government to listen to their views ... the Constitution does not grant to members of the public generally a right to be heard by public bodies making decisions of policy.”
In the view of the US Attorney, the 1st Amendment only allows you to petition the government, but it’s a one sided arrangement that does not require the government to listen ... or respond. Folks, we have a serious problem on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. If nothing else, this article will make you think. And when you do, compare the historic parallels.
Thank you for that view.
You are right, and IMHO the value of Kerchner v Obama is that it may get us before the USSC.
One of the principal assertions in Kerchner is that Congress violated 3 USC 15 (Cheney ignored the requirement of calling for objections to the Certificates of votes). That statute is not a mere housekeeping provision the Congress is free to ignore, but it did. If such a controversy is not for the USSC, what good is it?
As I have stated elsewhere, if the Electoral College voted for Mickey Mouse and the Congress accepted those Certificates of Vote, is it binding on the nation? If so, the Constitution is worthless.
Opposing counsel is also correct when she states: “...the people do not have... a constitutional right to force the government to listen to their views ...”
The point of the petition behind this thread is that the government had better listen and take serious notice when the citizens present a clear and unambiguous substantial error such as the pass it gave O - or we will damn sure in a heartbeat vote them out of their gravy train and perks - in lieu of resorting to the classic pitchfork, tar and feathers, of course.
A secondary objective is that while we are waiting for the court(s) to take action on this historic scam, the public outcry may erode the political support and momentum O currently enjoys. And, he and his handlers have a well thought out and carefully planned agenda and are moving rapidly.
A better question is will the second amendment *prevail* in that setting. Unlike the other amendments, the Second is self enforcing.
“A better question is will the second amendment *prevail* in that setting. Unlike the other amendments, the Second is self enforcing.”
You make an important distinction, of course.
You and I like to think the 2d, indeed the entire Constitution, will always survive, that it has been paid for in full by patriots, and at the worst it may only go dormant for a bit.
Unfortunately, the 2d is only self-enforcing so long as we have ammunition.
The important point, I think, is that we not take too long to take appropriate action. I think it is abundantly clear we are at a point that warrants dramatic political action. Thus, I advocate getting in front of Congress and protesting what appears to be a scam.
O is not a natural born citizen. I’d bet the farm on that one. His usurper status makes all the things he’s doing all the more infuriating. I wrote to the SCOTUS many many times between Nov.5th and Jan.20 about this. So did 500,000 other Americans. They do not care, not even the supposed conservative justices. I lost any respect I had for the conservative justices the day O was sworn in. O will be exposed. The truth always has a way of getting out.
“O is not a natural born citizen. I’d bet the farm on that one.”
I am with you. In fact, I have challenged O supporters to name one single fact on which they would bet their farm he is even a mere citizen. Of course, they go off on a tangent and try to work Bush into the answer.
I estimate the effort has a 50/50 chance of any USSC action and even if we get that far there is a chance a socialist Congress will side with the Executive Branch, and then rodeo may be on.
It seems to me time is our enemy in that allows O’s political bulldozer to run amock. That is why I believe we have to do something politically meaningful, such as get in the face of Congress with some political outrage while we work to try to gain leverage in the 2010 election.
What hangs over us like a dark cloud is the fact that a single “crisis” could effectively shut down much of everything.
Please help that petition with your signature and those of everyone you know.
Thanks.
Important Ping.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/1st-amendment-petition.html
Over the past two days, this petition has been sent to more than 60 national TV and radio figures, columnists and other public figures.
“On January 8, 2009 every Senator and Representative, Republican and Democrat alike, failed to exercise his or her oath of office to defend the Constitution. The failure occurred when they refused to exercise the authority granted to them by 3 USC 15 as a means of resolving any question of a President elect’s qualification.
The January 8 joint session of Congress was convened pursuant to the 12th Amendment solely for the purpose of examining, challenging and accepting or rejecting the electoral votes and was intended as a check against any irregularity that may have slipped by the Electoral College.”
Thanks frog in a pot.
Thanks for the ping!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/1st-amendment-petition.html
But I heard at the Washington, DC, TEA Party that our petitions get shredded by clerical workers as they arrive. Emails get deleted. The ONLY thing that works is telephone calls to the Capitol Switchboard. They still log all phone calls.
In reality, our Senators don’t care . . . lobbyists have already bought them. Some Representatives either don’t care or are not equipped to take a stand. Thankfully, Michele Bachmann has shown more brass than most of the Current Crop of Representatives . . . John Boehner is beginning to pick up his brass and make some noise.
Vote them out if they won’t do their jobs. The VOTERS are the EmployER. They’ve forgotten this.
“But I heard...that our petitions get shredded by clerical workers as they arrive. “
That, sir or madam, may be true, and it is the very reason why this petition is intended to be delivered in a manner, as noted above, that avoids the clerk’s shredders.
obumpa
Thomas Jefferson said it well: ""When the representative body have lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then, indeed, their continuing in office becomes dangerous to the State, and calls for an exercise of the power of dissolution."
Are we there yet? ?
That, sir or madam, may be true, and it is the very reason why this petition is intended to be delivered in a manner, as noted above, that avoids the clerk’s shredders.
Here's a link to the petition again, in case anyone missed it.
Please send the link to everyone in your address book, too.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/1st-amendment-petition.html
May I suggest that any and all petitions be accompanied by a video camera documenting the delivery of the petition along with photos of the documentation. Let the recipient know that the video and copies of the petitions will be on the Internet for the entire world to see.
IMO, one must climb in the gutter with the Rats and use their tactics against them. The leadership of the GOP doesn’t have the guts or spine needed in the fight to expose and defeat these traitors. One must first acknowledge they’re fighting low-life, power-hungry garbage devoid of any morals or character.
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