Posted on 12/14/2009 10:01:07 PM PST by Shellybenoit
I was surprised to read David Gibson's Column today in Politics Daily, it was entitled The Joe Lieberman Debate: Good Jew or Bad Jew? Or Not So Bright?, to be honest it feels a bit creepy when someone is trying to determine whether someone else is following their faith. It becomes much more creepy when the person is asking the question about a follower of my faith, and when the questioner is not, as they say, a member of the tribe.
Gibson uses Lieberman's threats to filibuster the Senate health care bill as a bell weather to ascertain whether Lieberman is a good Jew or not. This shows how little the Catholic Gibson understands about the Jewish faith. Jews are taught to conduct buisness with honesty and morality, Lieberman's honest disagreement with the public option and further fanning the deficit, it is his honest opinion which he is making because of his moral responsibility to the people of Connecticut and America. If Gibson believes Lieberman is making a decision for nefarious reasons like a bribe, well then it would call his morality in conducting buisness into question. But there is no verse in the Torah that reads, "Thou Shalt Support the Progressive Liberal position at all times.
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Yes. He is a good Jew. Now stop asking and leave his wife out of it.
The left will always use religion when they see fit and demand religion be left out of politics when conservatives express their faith.
Olbermann and Schultz at MSNBC are great examples of this. When they see a conservative do something they don’t like, they often rhetorically ask, “where in your religion does it say that doing this is OK?” Yes when a conservative publicly acknowledges having faith in a real God (not Obama), Olbermann’s underwear bunches up and he demands for a separation of church and state.
The left has gone crazy with their hatred of Liebermann. Every talking head on MSNBC was totally psycho about Joe today. Their personal attacks on Liebermann and his wife were almost as bad as their smears of some republicans. I expect loon-talk from Olbermann, but Pissy Chrissie was really vicious today.
How could one be a “good Jew” and pro-abortion at the same time?
If a conservative wrote an article with that title on, say, Barbara Boxer, the author would have the phrase "known for his anti-Semitic writings" appended to his name in mainstream news stories.
I’m just kind of hoping Joe goes into revenge mode and becomes an R. just to piss em off.
Nachum, the Brooklyn Bet Din symbollicly
“excommunicated” Lieberman for claiming orthodoxy while supporting abortion and campaigning on the Sabbath when he was Gore’s running mate. If there is sin and you got to choose one, I would MUCH rather he drove from the Synagogue to Capitol Hill on the Sabbath rather than supporting abortion in any way shape or form.
As far as I am aware, the Bet Din has never lifted their sanction of Lieberman because one of their conditions was that he renounce abortion...which he never did.
Do we really have to be polite? My “Senator” is snarlin’ arlen. makes “polite” very difficult.
All I meant by my post is that this sort of personal stuff always comes up about Leiberman whenever he has become important in a national debate. Whatever the Bais Din has decided, we Jews tend to be painted with the universally same tar coated brush. Why is his wife part of this? Also, this man has done a number of good things for Jews in his tenure; especially in defense of Israel in military matters, and in defense of Russian Jewry. If Jews are so concerned with Leiberman's view on abortion, they should be equally concerned with "loshen hara" about his wife.
I am not declaring my support for Joe Leiberman, but his wife and religion is only being used by the libs because they want to force his vote. Personally, I think it is a mistake to be drawn into the bashing. It only helps the libs and creates some sort of backlash against Jews in general.
I had not seen what they were trying to do to Mrs. Lieberman. You are right. It is malevolent and should never have happened. But I have no love for the man and do not trust him.
I am sorry, but I can’t help it. He agress with the two state “solution” and would divide Israel. I do not.
Painting all Jews with a broad brush is their thing, not mine. But Lieberman uses his Judaism in a very political way when it suits him and I just don’t like it. He isn’t a Jew first. He is a politician first. I don’t usually disagree with you, Nachum. But in this instance, this is just you and me. No press, no other posters on this thread to make much difference really. Kind of a private conversation.
I don't want it either. I truly understand your feelings.
But Lieberman uses his Judaism in a very political way when it suits him and I just don’t like it.
I used to be of the same position and even criticized him publicly for it. The result of it for me was actually making it harder for those issues I agreed with.
But in this instance, this is just you and me. No press, no other posters on this thread to make much difference really. Kind of a private conversation.
Indeed. I respect your views.
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