Posted on 06/28/2010 5:26:59 AM PDT by mattstat
Hold the line, Sepp. Dont buckle under the pressure, which now is intense and hot, but soon will be slack and not even tepid. We do not need to let replay technologythe word that everybody now favorsinto the beautiful game.
Yes, the referees missed awarding a lackluster England a goal against Germany. We know this because the replayin this casewas clear. It isnt always clear, of course. But here, we could see it and we know that, at least in the eyes of many Germans, a weird sort of justice was done.
Justice? Consider: in the Cup final in 1966, Englands Geoff Hurst shot and hit the (West) German crossbar. The ball bounced. Over the line, claimed the English. Before the line, said the Germans. The referees agreed with England, who went on to win 4-2.
So, because of Sunday, in the minds of many German fans anyway, the score is now even: one bad goal equals another.
Fabio Capello Weeps Once More Did Sundays un-awarded goal change the outcome? Fabio Capello assumed the counterfactual: had Lampards goal counted, England, he said, could have at least drawn. But many viewers, and less passionate assessors, took the opposite view: England did not play well over four games and were on their way home no matter what. To prove their point, we may merely say, Wayne Rooney?
Ah, but even if you buy that, we must still account for the missed offsides call against Argentina...
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What’s the current per-goal rate for FIFA these days? Is it in dollars or Euros?
Too bad the US lost to Ghana. That meant we weren’t available to swoop in at halftime and help England beat Germany.
We called it Girls Football when I was in School, Who Cares.
From what I’ve seen, refs have had a hand in determining the outcome of about 20% or more of the World Cup games. The officiating is terrible for a varietyof reasons. Bring in instant replay on goals....
The sideline tussling occurred because the stadium jumbotron showed the replay immediately and everyone, including the referees, knew it was a blown call.
The on field refs were screwed at that point because they would have caught hell from FIFA if they changed the call.
All FIFA is doing at this point is feuling the assumption that with video replay it would be harder to 'fix' the games.
All they need is to add a fourth referee either in a TV booth or in the TV monitoring truck, plus special camera positions to track the inside of the goal itself, to make sure goals actually count. And since video nowadays are recorded onto hard drives and not onto videotape, they could cue up and complete the review in 35-40 seconds and add that time to injury time at the end of each half of the game.
Beat it loser.
They so need instant replay in this sport.
How is the World Cup like World War II?
Because the French are out,
The Italians useless, and
The Americans late on the scene.
I’d rather microchip the ball. I dread the thought of instant replay—imagine what will happen—the “soccer is boring” crowd will win. ;)
As you say, a guy in the booth would work. The refs are all wired anyway.
The only problem I would see is if, say, the German goalie punted to an attacker off the blown call and the attacker scored, just like the first goal. When do you stop the play? If another goal is scored before play is stopped, does it count?
I know the odds are next to none that something like that would happen, but Mr. Murphy will probably determine that it will occur in the first game it's instituted in.
As far as the offsides. The legality of a called goal could easily be determined by the ensuing kickoff. That's what happened yesterday when the stadium TV replayed the goal.
Fixed...
I'm not a soccer "fan". I enjoy watching the World Cup but otherwise don't care. I try not to run down the game that is the most popular in the world. But to not use replay or a zillion other technologies to simply get things like goals right in order to spare tradition is just stupid. I can see not using replay for offsides as it would slow the game down but for goals, that are typically very infrequent, is asinine. Get the call right. The entire world knows that call was flat blown. It might not have made a difference in the end but it would have certainly changed the complexion of the game. England spent the beginning of the second half pressing trying to tie it up which lead to the counter-attack goals by Germany. It would have been entirely different if it had been 2:2.
Oh, and the floppers (like that joker from Ghana who had to be carried off on a stretcher) need to be red carded. Or executed.
Either way. Its needed. These types of goals are missed. Plus end of game review can reverse bad cards like the one given to Kaka.
Exactly. Anything that helps the skill of the players be the determining factor should be adopted. It improved NFL games greatly. Non-adoption makes the administrators of the game look stuck in the past.
I hate having to explain this, I really do (because others will then turn around and claim I’m trying to “shove” something down their throats) . . . the rules specify that, if the player does not get up when the ref instructs him to, then the ref calls for the stretcher and removes the player from the field. The player cannot return without the ref’s permission, and his team plays one man down until he is allowed to return.
Even that bastion of conservatism, Wimbledon, has replay. It’s the 21st Century already. You need to get the call right.
Thanks for the clarification. Not being a soccer fan I did not know that. Nevertheless, that joker was completely acting and trying to delay the game. American sports fans enjoy shot clocks and play clocks. There is a penalty in the NFL if the clock has to be stopped in the last 2 minutes for an injury. Perhaps doing that in soccer would eliminate all the melodramatic crap.
If they don’t want replay, then put some sort of mechanism in the goal that will let the blind refs know that the ball has crossed the line.
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