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ObamaCare: 129 million Americans with Costly Pre-Existing Health Problems Alert Death Panels
Bloggers and Personal ^ | 18 Jan 11 | Xzins

Posted on 01/18/2011 6:02:14 PM PST by xzins

A German foreign exchange student we had living with us last year received word of the death of her grandfather. She explained that he had broken his shoulder. We were appalled. "His shoulder?" we asked. "Yes" was the reply. The explanation was the German death panels: he was elderly and not worth the expenditure of funds when complications set in. His death was a shock to her, BUT not to her teenage understanding of German health care. She understood it perfectly. The bureaucrats decide who is worthy of expensive care and who isn't: only the strong survive.

Not to pick on Germany; it's the same world-wide with government health care systems.

So, the lesson as we enter an era of American government health care and clear indication of death panels is this: If you've got a cost-ineffective health problem, then beware the wolves in the death pack in a year of low government funds. You might be lower on the government priority list than you think. Your number could be up. Auf Wiedersehen.

Thus, the worry caused by Obama identifying 129 million Americans with costly, inefficient pre-existing conditions. Given that these are exactly the conditions that government health care wants to weed out, not finance, then would it not make sense to be silent about your conditions?

Why help the death pack on the death panel who are so gratified when the sheep volunteer their genetic or chronic or debilitating health concerns?

A sheep with a death wish alerts the wolves and calls them together into a death pack on a death panel.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; obama; obamacare; sibelius

1 posted on 01/18/2011 6:02:19 PM PST by xzins
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To: jazusamo; P-Marlowe; wmfights; wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses

Pro-life, anti-death panel ping


2 posted on 01/18/2011 6:03:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

Nazi care! Awesome!


3 posted on 01/18/2011 6:07:55 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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To: xzins
LONG AGO
4 posted on 01/18/2011 6:18:26 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: xzins
I was visiting my neighbor a few years back when he got a call from Germany. His father had just died in a German hospital. He was visiting a friend in the hospital when he suffered a heart attack.

It would seem that a hospital would be a perfect place to have a heart attack. Unfortunately, he was in a German hospital and was deemed too old to treat (he was 74). So they let him die, without treatment.

He had moved there when he retired in the US since it was less expensive to live there on his Social Security, and he had (he thought) free health care. I guess health care can be quite inexpensive, when the country has death panels.

5 posted on 01/18/2011 6:38:40 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

On my final tour in Germany, we lived in the German community and a few houses down from us was a young couple with two children. She was a medical doctor in our local hospital. Over the few years we got to know them she explained differences in our health care systems. She was very matter of fact about the truth. Their system intentionally decides not to fund the care of those we would consider healthy late 60 and early 70 year olds.

Your story is right on target.

As I’ve reflected on this since the advent of the ObamaCare debate, I can’t really conjure up memories of truly elderly Germans.

I suppose those in the elder care industries in America should realize that ObamaCare will seriously limit their occupations as the years of early deaths roll by.


6 posted on 01/18/2011 7:09:25 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

Germans being Germans.
NO shame.


7 posted on 01/18/2011 7:16:00 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Marty62

It’s the same in Great Britain, Canada, elsewhere. I’m not trying to pick on Germany.

It is worrisome to see these practices there, though, isn’t it? And they are coming here....already voted in and signed.

And now the government apparently is discovering who has “pre-existing health conditions”, and has even numbered them. 129 million says Sibellious. Can you imagine a furious Algore grinding his teeth, thinking how much better off we’d be without the carbon footprint of 129 million people?


8 posted on 01/18/2011 7:30:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

Thanks for posting this and the ping.

It really is difficult for most people in our country to comprehend the way life is thought of in some societies outside of overpopulated Communist societies of the last century.

I suppose Germany is the forerunner of our society as far as medical treatment for our aging people if obamacare or one similar to it becomes the standard for our medical system. I said aging because in no way are people in their 60’s and 70’s considered old in our present system. The majority of people in our age group are still leading active and productive lives.

The socialized medicine idea of the leftists in this country has got to stopped, and quickly.


9 posted on 01/18/2011 7:33:14 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
The socialized medicine idea of the leftists in this country has got to stopped, and quickly.

Jaz, you've been a great warrior on military and Obamacare issues in the past on FR.

I am truly, seriously concerned that Kathleen Sibelious can name 129 million people as having pre-existing health conditions. They have been snooping it out.

When the original health care bill was posted months ago, I read it, and death panels jumped out at me before Sarah Palin ingeniously coined the expression "death panels." There are doctors advising people to die, there are groups in hospitals making cost decisions, and there are government representatives and government panels make cost-benefit analyses.

This isn't just chilling; it is potentially demonic.

10 posted on 01/18/2011 7:41:53 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins
The Ghost of Thanksgivings Yet to Come
From the novel "1985" by Anthony Burgess

"Winston, come into the dining room, it's time to eat," Julia yelled to her husband.

"In a minute, honey, it's a tie score," he answered. Actually Winston wasn't very interested in the traditional holiday football game between Detroit and Washington. Ever since the government passed the Civility in Sports Statute of 2017, outlawing tackle football for its "unseemly violence" and the "bad example it sets for the rest of the world," Winston was far less of a football fan than he used to be. Two-hand touch wasn't nearly as exciting.

Yet it wasn't the game that Winston was uninterested in. It was more the thought of eating another Tofu Turkey. Even though it was the best type of Veggie Meat available after the government revised the American Anti-Obesity Act of 2018, adding fowl to the list of federally-forbidden foods, (which already included potatoes, cranberry sauce and mince-meat pie), it wasn't anything like real turkey. And ever since the government officially changed the name of "Thanksgiving Day" to "A National Day of Atonement" in 2020 to officially acknowledge the Pilgrims' historically brutal treatment of Native Americans, the holiday had lost a lot of its luster.

Eating in the dining room was also a bit daunting. The unearthly gleam of government-mandated fluorescent light bulbs made the Tofu Turkey look even weirder than it actually was, and the room was always cold. Ever since Congress passed the Power Conservation Act of 2016, mandating all thermostats-which were monitored and controlled by the electric company-be kept at 68 degrees, every room on the north side of the house was barely tolerable throughout the entire winter.

Still, it was good getting together with family. Or at least most of the family. Winston missed his mother, who passed on in October, when she had used up her legal allotment of live-saving medical treatment. He had had many heated conversations with the Regional Health Consortium, spawned when the private insurance market finally went bankrupt, and everyone was forced into the government health care program. And though he demanded she be kept on her treatment, it was a futile effort. "The RHC's resources are limited," explained the government bureaucrat Winston spoke with on the phone. "Your mother received all the benefits to which she was entitled. I'm sorry for your loss."

Ed couldn't make it either. He had forgotten to plug in his electric car last night, the only kind available after the Anti-Fossil Fuel Bill of 2021 outlawed the use of the combustion engines-for everyone but government officials. The fifty mile round trip was about ten miles too far, and Ed didn't want to spend a frosty night on the road somewhere between here and there.

Thankfully, Winston's brother, John, and his wife were flying in. Winston made sure that the dining room chairs had extra cushions for the occasion. No one complained more than John about the pain of sitting down so soon after the government-mandated cavity searches at airports, which severely aggravated his hemorrhoids. Ever since a terrorist successfully smuggled a cavity bomb onto a jetliner, the TSA told Americans the added "inconvenience" was an "absolute necessity" in order to stay "one step ahead of the terrorists." Winston's own body had grown accustomed to such probing ever since the government expanded their scope to just about anywhere a crowd gathered, via Anti-Profiling Act of 2022. That law made it a crime to single out any group or individual for "unequal scrutiny," even when probable cause was involved. Thus, cavity searches at malls, train stations, bus depots, etc., etc., had become almost routine. Almost.

The Supreme Court is reviewing the statute, but most Americans expect a Court composed of six progressives and three conservatives to leave the law intact. "A living Constitution is extremely flexible," said the Court's eldest member, Elena Kagan. "Europe has had laws like this one for years. We should learn from their example," she added.

Winston's thoughts turned to his own children. He got along fairly well with his 12-year-old daughter, Brittany, mostly because she ignored him. Winston had long ago surrendered to the idea that she could text anyone at any time, even during Atonement Dinner. Their only real confrontation had occurred when he limited her to 50,000 texts a month, explaining that was all he could afford. She whined for a week, but got over it.

His 16-year-old son, Jason, was another matter altogether. Perhaps it was the constant bombarding he got in public school that global warming, the bird flu, terrorism or any of a number of other calamities were "just around the corner," but Jason had developed a kind of nihilistic attitude that ranged between simmering surliness and outright hostility. It didn't help that Jason had reported his father to the police for smoking a cigarette in the house, an act made criminal by the Smoking Control Statute of 2018, which outlawed smoking anywhere within 500 feet of another human being. Winston paid the $5000 fine, which might have been considered excessive before the American dollar became virtually worthless as a result of QE13. The latest round of quantitative easing the federal government initiated was, once again, to "spur economic growth." This time they promised to push unemployment below its years-long rate of 18%, but Winston was not particularly hopeful.

Yet the family had a lot for which to be thankful, Winston thought, before remembering it was a Day of Atonement. At least he had his memories. He felt a twinge of sadness when he realized his children would never know what life was like in the Good Old Days, long before government promises to make life "fair for everyone" realized their full potential. Winston, like so many of his fellow Americans, never realized how much things could change when they didn't happen all at once, but little by little, so people could get used to them.

He wondered what might have happened if the public had stood up while there was still time, maybe back around 2010, when all the real nonsense began. "Maybe we wouldn't be where we are today if we'd just said 'enough is enough' when we had the chance," he thought.

Maybe so, Winston. Maybe so.


11 posted on 01/18/2011 7:45:14 PM PST by B-Cause (Great crises do not make men, they reveal them.)
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To: B-Cause

Excellent article. Where’s it posted? did you write it? Absolutely outstanding.


12 posted on 01/18/2011 7:50:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

They’re using the cry that ‘the uninsured’ will suffer without ObamaCare, when in fact their program is designed to eliminate the people who today are actually treated by doctors and hospitals.

The only explanation can be that they intend to eliminate an entire class of elderly, dependent and ‘useless’ people.

This is diabolical.


13 posted on 01/18/2011 8:26:07 PM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: xzins

They’re using the cry that ‘the uninsured’ will suffer without ObamaCare, when in fact their program is designed to eliminate the people who today are actually treated by doctors and hospitals.

The only explanation can be that they intend to eliminate an entire class of elderly, dependent and ‘useless’ people.

This is diabolical.


14 posted on 01/18/2011 8:26:07 PM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: xzins
Came to me from a friend via email. click here for a location I just found for it. I did not write it - only wish I could!
15 posted on 01/18/2011 9:51:28 PM PST by B-Cause (Great crises do not make men, they reveal them.)
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To: xzins

It is the doctrine of “killing to Heal”

Old as the ages.
The Aztec civilization at the end believed that increasing their sacrifices of innocents would save them from the Conquistadors. There were reports the streets flowed with Blood (key element of sacrifices and other rituals)
I don’t read the sanitized version of events.
But this seems fairly straight forward.http://www.aztec-history.com/aztec-sacrifice.html

All we are seeing is this doctrine of the kill to heal being updated from the paganistic religions of long ago.

Even abortion in it’s basic form is the kill to heal pagan ritual.
The Mother is ill with this unborn human. Molly Yard in her testimony against Clarence Thomas described the unborn child as a cancer. Kill to heal.

I was surprised that Germany is still practicing this doctrine. But the question is will Americans cheerfully accept it with Obamacare.


16 posted on 01/18/2011 9:54:18 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Marty62

Some chilling stuff. There are those who ponder whether the Great God guided western culture to the Americas specifically to assist the land in vomiting out these violent, human sacrificing cultures.


17 posted on 01/19/2011 5:06:20 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: B-Cause

thanks for the link


18 posted on 01/19/2011 6:34:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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