Posted on 01/20/2011 12:21:07 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
In the post-war period, Hawaii’s population was around 500,000, many were foreign nationals brought in to work the plantations, both sugar and pineapple. They came from China, Japan, Scotland and Portugal in the first waves during the twenties and thirties, later Puerto Ricans and Filipinos during the post war period. The magic population number of “eligible” citizens for a territory have in order to petition for statehood was 600,000, so Hawaii issued official Certificates of Live Birth to children of migrant plantation workers who were reunited with the working parent when it was possible to bring them here.
The territorial citizen population of Hawaii grew 20% in in 10 years, even though the children who were reunited were foreign born. All it took was a piece of paper to work it, and once started it continued until the early seventies. Census counts mean federal dollars.
It was a political system to pump up the population numbers that gave others (i.e. Madelyn Dunham and her wayward daughter) the way to register the birth of a little “surprise” with some legitimacy and without probing questions.....at least from the state registrar.
Hospitals and clinics.
At the time Kapiolani Clinic for Women and Children was just that, a clinic. Its services were daily, its hours were normal business hours but they probably had a night time staff to receive, advise or shuttle patients off to Queen’s Hospital just a few blocks away. But it wasn’t a hospital in the 60s. Kapiolani Hospital wasn’t built until the early to mid 70s. It’s possible to deliver a child at a clinic just as it’s possible to deliver a child in the back of a taxi but both the clinician and the taxi driver would make an effort to get the mother to be to a maternity ward at a hospital.
Birth Certificates.
I have mine, issued by the hospital where I was born and registered in the state where I was born. I have my son’s also issued by the hospital where he was born and registered in the State of Hawaii. Both contain the same information; Date, time, attending physician (signature), mother (address, occupation, age and signature), father (address, occupation, age and signature ). I was born at a Naval Hospital in California and he was born here. The point is that it is the hospital that is the originator of the Birth Certificate and not the state registrar, something that is often missed by many.
It really doesn’t matter if his grandmother took her ripe and ready daughter to the Kapiolani Clinic during business hours or in the middle of the night, they would have transferred her to the nearest hospital with a obstetrics/maternity facility. If he was a home birth, your guess is good as mine as to the time of birth and even the date of birth. Since no hospital admits that Obama was born at their facility, it could have been a home birth, a foreign birth (a straggler), or the name of the kid was simply “Baby” Dunham, which is a whole new ballgame.
Enough of the long winded stuff.....chances are slim we’ll know for sure but one thing is sure .....he ain’t from here, other than on some computer generated copy able form.
That's an entertaining story. Too bad it's pure fiction.
Amazing what birthers will get themselves to believe without a shred of evidence.
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Obama 1964 Divorce Papers - 13 Pages - Missing Pg 11
24 Why isn't Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn't Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?
Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.
I believe you have quoted from the modern INA law.
That is the current law. The legislative authority the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, but I can't say for sure that the law wasn't changed at some point along the way.
In 1959, Lee Harvey Oswald had to meet with a consular officer to renounce his citizenship. That doesn't resolve the question, but it may indicate that a mother simply couldn't write to the State Department to have her son's citizenship taken away.
If anybody can clearly resolve the question one way or another it would be a big help.
My problem with a lot of these theories is that we start out with assumption that the Dunhams were very cunning indeed: the father cooking up a marriage to an African student to cover up an illegitimate child, the daughter taking off to Kenya without telling anyone, the mother falsifying an birth announcement, all of this moving from Kansas to Washington to Hawaii to Kenya, back to Washington or Kansas, then back to Hawaii, then on to Indonesia.
But after the child is born we assume that his mother would do whatever Indonesian authorities required. She changes the boy's name, his religion, and even his citizenship, just to please Sukarno's or Suharto's regime (or perhaps out of some intense hatred for America).
That doesn't fit the image created by the other conspiracy theories, and it doesn't fit what we actually know about Obama's mother. Given what we do know about her, I really doubt she'd bother with all of the paperwork or that she'd adopt a religion she didn't believe in or a nationality that entailed greater risk for herself and her child.
She'd be likely to steer clear of officials and red tape rather than go out of her way to get involved with them. Keep your US citizenship (and your child's) and you can get out of troubles with local government and school officials. Give up your US passport and you're at the mercy of local authorities.
It was. You an see the changes by going to a law library, and looking up the annotated version of the statute.
Someone showed me a copy of that in person.The word is if you want to see Obama’s birth certicate they whip it out.
Not fiction. It is documented history.
INTO revising history are you? Well, you seem to have a lot in common with Obama and his running dogs. They want to revise history too but despite their best efforts, they fail.
Just ask yourself how all the children of those pineapple plantation workers, and their children, who were born outside Hawaii got their Hawaiian birth certificates.
Buahahahahahaha! Whats the answer?Eh?They didn;t get them? Its only “partially true”.
Buahahahahahahaha!
Obama’s mother and or his grand parents used the same methhod, they were within that historical state admministration time line, thats what the Hawaiian state records show , and thats why Obama refuses to release them, or they have already destroyed them.
Obama is unqualified pursuant to article II of the constitution because he was not born in the USA. He was not born in Hawaii in 1961. At this point no one knows in fact where he was born.Its a mystery. It was not in Hawaii or Obama would release the original documents.
Its not rocket science. Why is such a bright boy/girl like you so confused?
Why? ... Because it wears its obamanoid kneepads way too tight.
Yes it is. Everything you posted in that post was made up by some birther blogger.
It is documented history.
Okay, so then provide some documentation.
Yes, I suspect its Obamanoid knee pads AND its Obamanoid
jock strap ARE BOTH way to tight.
I was only pointing out what I saw on the document.
For all I know, that whole document is a fake. If so, that would explain why it chronologically doesn’t make sense.
Thank you for the information.
Yes. I 'misread' the document, and felt like an idiot, so I asked for that post to be removed.
I see that. I misread the document the first time, and asked for my ‘comment’ to be removed because I made a mistake.
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