600-Year-Old American Indian Historical Account Has Old Norse Words

The Guard- blogspot ^ | 3-15-2007 | Larry Stroud

[Claud]

Patrick Stewart! I remember that. :)

[muawiyah]

BTW, the modern Germanic languages are about as mutually intelligible as the 32 different dialects they all seem to devolve into given half a chance.

However, English has only one existing cognate language ~ Freis in Freisland, and it doesn't sound anything like English. Freis itself doesn't have as many dialects as your standard Germanic languages do.

Colonial Dutch, in the British colonies, was derived from a handful of Dutch dialects and within two generations it'd broken up into the requisite 32 different dialects, although many analysts argue it actually created a brand new 33rd dialect spoken West of Albany.

One of the characteristics of English that makes it the dominant language wherever it is spoken is that it doesn't form dialect forms very easily ~ if at all.

[Claud]

Yes, Pidgin Delaware came into being probably pretty quickly in the early 1600s.

But I still don’t see how that explains Algonquian—where you have languages as different as Lenape and Blackfoot descended via regular rules of historical phonology from a common ancestor.

[Claud]

One of the characteristics of English that makes it the dominant language wherever it is spoken is that it doesn't form dialect forms very easily ~ if at all.

Oh that I *really* can't agree with.....American English dialectology is another hobby of mine!! :)

In the Northern Cities shift (Chicago, upstate NY, etc), the entire short vowel system is moving. American dialects are diverging further than they ever have right now.

Mutual intelligibility tests have show that we are having big problems understanding each other!

[Darksheare]

The Orthodoxy at first tried to downplay or deny the find.

But at least they don’t go to the lengths that China’s anthropology department goes to scrub the archeological record.
Sorta.
Kennewick Man was, if I recall, buried pretty much to prevent further study?
[Blam has the info somewhere if my memory is shot on that.]

[blam]

Pre-Columbian Burial Ground Unearthed In Costa Rica

Thanks. I'm reminded of this book (more Japanese) and, the timing is close to the Costa Rico site:

The Zuni Enigma

BTW, a decent book.

[muawiyah]

Abenaki ~ first Indians to have a real problem with whites no longer identifying them as Indians.

BTW, the write up in Wiki actually references a situation where SEVERAL Algonkian languages formed a new creole.

This stuff goes on all the time, particularly if you don't have large vocabularies, or if you have a large vocabulary already shared by other language groups.

[muawiyah]

Have not yet read the book but I've read extensive excerpts from it, and also several interviews with the writer.

I think this is the reservation where the Indians made offers to purchase my wife's mother.

[muawiyah]

A good beatdown takes care of that problem.

[blam]

Kennewick Man To Be Studied In Seattle

[blam]

Then....

There's 9,400 year old Spirit Cave man (a mummy) found in Nevada:

Spirit Cave Man

[Darksheare]

Ah, my memory is shot!

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks ComputerGuy!

[SunkenCiv]

I get plenty of help — I get links in FReepmail all the time, which I usually use unless they’re already posted. Also, decimon posts more of the topics than I do, most weeks, and only partly because I’m passive-aggressive and FReepmail links to him. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Kevmo.

[Antoninus]

The number "10" in both languages begins with a "t". Therefore, they are practically the same.

QED.

[ZULU]

Snore, egg, starboard, etc.

Check out a History of the Vikings by Ferguson - a recent great book on them in paperback now.

[Viiksitimali]

In the church of Frösthult, county of Uppland in Sweden one can see a tombstone inscribed with words in Lenape jargon, a variation of Lenape language used in trade and contacts with europeans.
The tombstone belongs to Johan Campanius (1601-1683) who was a Swedish priest that was active in the colony New Sweden, which was located in todays Delaware, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. The colony lasted from 1638 to 1655.
...
The text (which is somewhat hard to exactly interpret) goes like this: Umar sachiman chinsika hacking haro ankarop machis chuki .
firstnations.com



http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/search?q=Gravsten+i+Fr%C3%B6sthults+kyrka&owners

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.frozentrail.org/

[SunkenCiv]

America B.C.
by Barry Fell
(1976)
find it in a nearby library

A fascinating letter I received from a Shoshone Indian who had been traveling in the Basque country of Spain tells of his recognition of Shoshone words over there, including his own name, whose Shoshone meaning proved to match the meaning attached to a similar word by the modern Basques. Unfortunately I mislaid this interesting letter. If the Shoshone scholar who wrote to me should chance to see these words I hope he will forgive me and contact me again. The modern Basque settlers of Idaho may perhaps bring forth a linguist to investigate matters raised in this chapter. [p 173]