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Deluded Religious Belief In Being "Chosen" Is the Root Of Global Disaster (Ultra Spew Worthy!)
Frank Schaeffer's website ^ | July 4, 2011 | Frank Schaeffer

Posted on 07/04/2011 5:47:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Is this Dick Durban's speechwriter?
1 posted on 07/04/2011 5:47:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s happened to this guy? I’m not sure I completely agreed with his father’s theology, but he was still a good man who clearly loved Christ and America. He is to his father as Non Reagan is to his.


2 posted on 07/04/2011 5:52:31 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of all the people I've met in my life, those who most commonly harbor delusions of grandeur are liberals. Hands down. Obama is a good example.

People who don't have these delusions tend to support limited government and the freedom of each and every individual to define themselves and make their own way in the world. Liberals are highly overrepresented by those who think they are special and capable of running other people's lives. In reality all they are really capable of is ruining other people's lives. The author of this piece needs a dose of reality.

3 posted on 07/04/2011 5:53:10 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the USA, Vatican City and the state of Israel come to mind.”

Three of these things are not like the others,
Three of these things just don’t belong.
Can you tell which are not like the others
by the time that I finish this song?


4 posted on 07/04/2011 5:53:21 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The greatest killer religion in the world is marxism. I would bet the author loves it so.
5 posted on 07/04/2011 5:54:28 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Alex Murphy

Isn’t this the doofus who’s trying to show mommy and daddy he’s his own big man by “embracing the paradox and mystery of Orthodox Christianity?” (wikipedia)

Which means he knows nothing and is proud of the fact.


6 posted on 07/04/2011 5:57:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Francis Schaeffer’s son.....sigh....this apple fell far from the tree. His father was brilliant, and a brilliant writer and Christian apologist, his son is just another whackjob liberal.


7 posted on 07/04/2011 5:58:37 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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>>Put it this way; the Rockies don’t know they’re part of an “exceptional” country and the Negev desert doesn’t know it was “given” to anyone! Nor do the sands of Medina know that they’re “holy”

They’re rocks and dirt. They don’t know anything. Does the author really think that the world would be a better place if no one had a hope of everlasting life or the possibility of a hereafter, and the only reason to be nice to anyone was because they had the ability to inflict violence on you? Because, even if there was no God, the religion impulse in humans is the only thing that keeps us from killing each other.


8 posted on 07/04/2011 6:01:16 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: HerrBlucher

Thsi guy is as full of S**T as a Christmas Turkey.


9 posted on 07/04/2011 6:02:36 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: HerrBlucher
This guy is as full of S**T as a Christmas Turkey.
10 posted on 07/04/2011 6:02:49 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“He, She or It”

God as a transgendered whatever? Woodrow wilson was a progressive. No better than the marxist “liberation theolgy” in Catholicism, or “black liberation theology” ala so-called rev.wright.


11 posted on 07/04/2011 6:04:50 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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If there is no Creator,then it doesn’t matter what you do. Right and wrong are just how it affects you.

And including the USA, Israel, and Vatican City together with Pakistan and Iran as the “far right” is nonsensical, illogical, and dishonest. It is an insult to the first three, and to the “far right”.


12 posted on 07/04/2011 6:06:52 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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Whatever Woodrow Wilson’s religion, it didn’t keep him from cattin’ around with the women.

His religion was progressivism.


13 posted on 07/04/2011 6:13:06 PM PDT by lurk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is so idiotic I don’t even know where to start.

How about the equating of the Islamic Iran and Christian America?

Or that the right wants to replace the Bill of Rights with a Bible? I mean, what has this man been smoking? The left even admits its the one that wants to change the Constitution, while the right reveres it.

He needs a serious dose of reality.


14 posted on 07/04/2011 6:14:41 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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This piece is full of spin, for sure. Woodrow Wilson, and I am no fan of, did not enter WWI because of some “religious fervor”. He wrongfully choice to side with the British perhaps for shared language and the fact that the German U boats were sinking our commercial ships. I agree though that in retrospect, if we could do it all over again, the “settlement” of WWI was what was done poorly, demanding reparations from Germany, never getting an unconditional surrender, everyone wanting a piece of the vanquished Germany.

This piece going out of it's way to make parallels that ‘fundamentalism’ is the culprit that created Stalin, Mao, etc. is a bit tasteless actually. Let's just gloss over the tens of millions that these despots killed and blame it on the Presbyterian Wilson for making them do that! childish banter.

15 posted on 07/04/2011 6:21:14 PM PDT by AgThorn (So, when are we going to quit blaming banking, wall street and everyone but the gov't for this mess?)
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“Is this Dick Durban’s speechwriter?”

Exceeding unlikely.

More probable is that author managed to escape when the door to his locked ward was left ajar.

That “author” considers America one of the great “troublemaker nations”? ? ? ?

Not only is he out of his rubber room, he neglected to take his meds before he left.


16 posted on 07/04/2011 6:25:03 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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Maybe Buddhists, Taoists, pagans, atheists and Marxists are okay with the author.
17 posted on 07/04/2011 6:29:08 PM PDT by dog breath
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Who is this guy who is so ignorant of history that he would make comments like this?

“What did Wilson’s religious idealism actually achieve? Germany’s loss of World War One led to the rise of Hitler, and the Second World War. Wilson picked sides between two equally tarnished nationalistically-inspired colonial contenders and weighed in. So Wilson set the stage for the rise of Hitler and World War Two. With no World War Two there would be no Israel because there would have been no holocaust. Zionism would have simply become a forgotten quirk. And there would have been no Cold War either, maybe not even a Soviet Union.”

This is so ignorant that it needs no further comment.


18 posted on 07/04/2011 6:32:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. Schaeffer—none of your comments have any value for a rational discussion, because the metric of logic you use is the chaotic scale of relativism. Relativism holds that there is no absolute truth either factually or morally.

Relativism brings what seems like a great degree of intellectual freedom, because it allows you to support a particular position today with all your heart and soul, and then throw it out with the garbage tomorrow. Within the sphere of relativism, you don’t have to be accountable. This is why liberals are so hypocritical.

But the ultimate cost of relativism is that in the sphere of rational thought—which is larger than that of relativism—you have no ground on which to stand. No absolute premises. Without premise, logic never starts.

So your fate is that of all leftists—you have denied youself access to rational discourse.


19 posted on 07/04/2011 6:34:02 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Leftist ideology is an intellectual failure, proven by the fact that it must be kept hidden. Morons.)
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To: HerrBlucher

Truly sad to me. Francis Schaeffer & CS Lewis were my two principal mentors in critical thinking, apologetics, and so much more. I wept the day I heard the news that Schaeffer had died. Not many wise, not many noble, indeed.


20 posted on 07/04/2011 7:03:05 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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