[grey_whiskers]

Follow along any Perry thread, and an increasing number of Palin threads, on Free Republic: you will observe the increasing enmity between Perry supporters and Palin supporters, which lends credence to the idea.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

*PING*

I'm in the asbestos birdcage.

Bring your own tar and pitchforks.

Cheers!

[Manic_Episode]

Who did Perry endorse in 2008?

Ill give you a hint: His initials are Rudy Giuliani.

[HerrBlucher]

They both have PDS!

[Lazlo in PA]

You seem to be pretty hard on Perry. Just off the top of my head, Bachmann was a Carter Rat and Reagan was an FDR Rat before they had conversions. Reagan did amnesty for illegals and in ‘67 signed abortion legislation as Gov.

Sarah Palin respects Perry and thinks he is a straight up Conservative. Your argument may be looking for absolute purity in a world were there is none.

I also think this belief that there is a conspiracy by the elites to install this guy falls apart when you note that the Bushes and Rove hate Perry. They are the elites after all.

[CSI007]

Thank you soooooo much for posting this.

I get the feeling that over the past several years that Free Republic is becoming a breeding ground for RINO propaganda. Really sickening to see the past few days since Perry has announced his run.

If this nation is to survive we need to rid the party of RINOs and stop electing people like them to national office or we need to start a third party and be done with the stupid party once and for all.

[JustAnotherOne]

“Here’s another hint: Rasmussen does not include Palin among the possible candidates.”
So some folks can not take a hint. This is devolving into Fathers Day at the orphanage. “Pick Me!”

Rick Perry has a proven Executive track record. Leadership matters, no apologies for perceived sleights. If you want another 4 years of bowing and kowtowing to foreign leaders, fight on for Zero. American exceptional ism is real.
There is no enmity between the Palin camp and the Perry campaign. There is a distinction between a camp and a campaign. Tweet Saint Sarah. She has a new commission.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You ask why Perry mandated the Gardasil vaccine for voluntary behavior. The answer is that insurance companies wouldn’t pay for the $380 vaccine unless it was mandatory. The vaccine had been shown to be nearly 100% effective. To give access to the vaccine to those who couldn’t afford it for the price of a copay, he went with an Executive Order to make it mandatory. Ultimately, the voters, through their representatives, exercised their will by overturning the EO.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Regarding Perry’s support of Gore in 1988 ...

Gore was not simply more centrist then. He was considered a conservative Southern Democrat. He was pro-life, pro-guns, pro-defense, and pro-tobacco. His was the last pro-life Democratic presidential campaign. Further, Texas was controlled by Democrats back then. Perry was considered one of the most conservative Democrats at that time.

[fieldmarshaldj]

*ping for the list*

[TBP]

http://www.rlc.org/2011/08/12/texas-rlc-sends-out-warning-on-rick-perry/

[jessduntno]

"Those who attack Perry point out that Perry issued an executive order in February 2007 mandating that all Texas girls be vaccinated with Gardasil before admission to the sixth grade." -snip- "
Perry’s defenders counter with two points: first, that the Executive Order was not truly mandatory, as there was an opt-out clause for parents..." --------------- Which was it?

[wardaddy]

When Palin enters...if she does then use your ammo.

But hear this...should Perry get the nomination...and he could I think.

This forum and Fresno will heartily support him.

So careful...things change here on a dime.

Meanwhile I think Bachmann and even Perry are more to the social right than what I’m used to seeing GOP do at this stage and I am tickled pink...Romeny seems to be working on a collapsed bilge pump

and if Sarah does enter then mo better

we might actually end up with a strong winner all said and done

Romney pulling all these strings is fantasy..he is not doing good...it ain’t complicated...money out the butt and name and establishment power and can’t make headway now that things have cranked up...not good for him.

This race is Perry..Bachmann and Palin should she enter...sounds great.

Folks here who have walked a social conservative wastleand since Lord Magnus should be happy too...we are in decent shape

[BuckeyeTexan]

Those who keep repeating the horsesh*t claims that Perry is soft on Islam, pro-Islam, pro-Sharia should educate themselves on the matter instead of accepting Pamela Geller’s article as the truth. The source for her information was Salon. (SALON as a source for conservatives?!)

Start here: http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/1945

[SoConPubbie]

But all of this seems to me to miss the main point. With all of the furor over Obamacare and mandatory payments, why is it a good thing to order mandatory vaccines for something which is picked up through *voluntary* behaviour? If we are interested in conservatism, and part of conservatism is sexual morality, why was Perry implicitly “throwing in the towel” by ordering a mandatory vaccine for STDs, with only an opt-out? Doesn’t this undermine the moral authority of the parents? This sounds more like a Romney-type stunt than the behaviour of a true conservative!

Grey_Wiskers, you nailed it with the first part of your post!

Bravo!

Let's see what the Perry Apologists have to say about this.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Perry’s history of the Texas Dream Act, and the TTC with possible “North American Union” connections, are definite concerns. I don’t know if he would try to foist amnesty on us. If he did succeed at that he would not be much better than Obama.

The muslim charge seems to be a smear job. I don’t think he is associating with jihadists.

The Gardasil episode is a definite negative, and I think it is antithetical to Perry’s “image” as a pro-freedom, small government fighter.

Rasmusses does not include Palin in the poll because she hasn’t declared. Wait to see if other polls coming out are in line with Rasmussen.

[LibFreeUSA]

The RHINESTONE RINO!

[LibFreeUSA]

Perry is married to his southern MEHICANO neighbors just like his “Compassionate Conservative” predecessor, so you’re guaranteed to only get lip-service on controlling illegal immigration from this fake conservative. OHHH, you also forgot to mention that he also pandered to a racist organization (La Raza) by going and speaking at their convention, giving them credibility to their racist agenda. The guy is HORRIBLE, and all these people fawning all over him have been sold by his ‘image’. No wonder the country got suckered so easily in 2008.

[Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears]

Any posts which cast Perry in a negative light, even if factually accurate, will not be tolerated.

Such facts are a buzzkill, and they interfere with the Perrygasms everyone is having.

[newzjunkey]

First off: THERE IS NO PALIN CANDIDACY. She's asked every other day. Her answer hasn't changed.

Next: Too many Palin supporters feel they have nothing positive to do while they wait.

They betray their desired candidate by spreading misinformation about those running for the nomination.

Offer the real facts, let people make up their minds, just as you'd demand of people shedding light on Palin's record.

[nathanbedford]

Whiskers:

Thanks for a good and comprehensive post. Here are some thoughts which you provoked:

Coincidentally, I just posted this reply which follows in quotation marks to another thread. The last paragraph has been added to address your concerns about Kerry's conservatism because he appears to be condoning teen sex with the issuance of his executive order. Thereafter, I consider your other points.

"If this were a vaccination of schoolchildren against a communicable disease such as smallpox, I would have no problem whatsoever with the state, as opposed to the federal government, mandating inoculation.

In a communicable disease the law can require the inoculation because the state has an interest in protecting innocents from contracting a disease from those who refuse to be inoculated.

However, this is not a communicable disease but a preventative for cancer. As such it should be wholly voluntary. The problem with this Executive Order is that it was not wholly voluntary but required action on the part of the parents to opt out. This is an encroachment on individual liberty but not one that sends me to the barricades. The parents did, after all, have the option to opt out. So the objection is more procedural than substantive. The law should leave the option for parents to opt in.

There is some argument to the effect that the procedure to opt out was onerous and the executive order did not properly provide for notifying the parents of their rights. Again, these objections, if real, are procedural rather than substantive. In my judgment they do not demonstrate a disqualifying tendency in the statist to dominate the individual."

But all of this seems to me to miss the main point.

But does it? Is the issue one of mandating an intrusion into the body or somehow condoning teen sex? If it is an issue of intruding into the body, the degree to which it is mandatory and the degree to which parents can opt out become very relevant and the quality of the procedure provided becomes relevant. I conclude that the Executive Order was misguided and the procedure was probably not as forthright and transparent as possible. But these are venal procedural miscalculations not mortal sins.

With all of the furor over Obamacare and mandatory payments, why is it a good thing to order mandatory vaccines for something which is picked up through *voluntary* behaviour?

Because the "voluntary" behavior might well have been done by a minor and the law has a long tradition of presuming that minors are not capable, or at least not as capable as an adult, of the mens rea required either to commit a crime, to vote, or to drive a vehicle. The law presumes the children are not adults and with good reason.

There is a substantial difference between such an inoculation and providing children condoms. The one is far removed from the other in the sense that inoculation does not facilitate sex and is not immediate to the act. It does not prevent the contraction of STDs, as I understand it, merely the ensuing consequences, namely, cancer. There is a huge difference in perception.

Doesn’t this undermine the moral authority of the parents?

No, because the parents have the option to opt out. We may cavil about the regularity or quality of the procedure but the ultimate power of the parents to have their way was preserved. They remain sovereign they remain the ultimate authority.

This sounds more like a Romney-type stunt than the behaviour of a true conservative!

If there were no opt out provisions then the requirements would in fact be mandatory and it would be similar not just to Romney but to Obama in requiring the individual to buy health insurance with no opt out provision.

Trans-Texas Corridor

Clearly, the power of the state and not just a state but of the federal government as well to build roads is unquestioned. Since colonial times both kinds of governments have done so. And since colonial times private entities have built toll roads. Citizens ride on one every day to Dulles Airport. Unlike Obama Care, there is no obligation to drive on the road and pay the toll.

Eminent domain for a public purpose is entirely constitutional and entirely within our culture and part of the capitalist structure providing the property owner is fairly compensated and the use is for a public purpose. A public road clearly is a public purpose even though built by a private concern which charges tolls to pay the bonds which were created to fund construction.

I have no knowledge of whether this was touted as a green project and cannot comment. As to rail transportation, we have a history of the United States of government corporation with and authorization of private companies to be granted right of ways to build rail lines. In the 19th century our rail lines were financed to a great degree by foreign, British, investors. Whole sections of America were populated with grants of land given to private companies who build railroads and sent the profits (or losses) to British investors.

Highway and rail communications are absolutely fundamental to a growing economy and Texas is growing economically and in population at an explosive rate. I do not see anything inherently anti-conservative in building roads and railroads.

Perhaps my American prejudice against railroads as been diminished by my experience here in Europe where traveling by rail is a positive experience and one I prefer whenever distances permit over air travel.

As for the "double taxation" argument, it seems to me that is a matter for a budget calculation. If state gasoline taxes were insufficient to build such a highway, there was no double taxation.

Support of Al Gore; Dream Act and Immigration

Perry's got a lot 'splainin' to do to satisfy me on these issues.

Soft on Islam

I have posted long and hard on these threads that war against the terrorism conducted by militant Islam can only be won by Muslims. We simply do not have the resources to dominate more than 1 billion Muslims from the Atlantic to the Hindu Kush.

Therefore, we have to be very careful, as George Bush was, in how we handle our relations with "moderate" (if there be such an animal-but we have to assume there is.) Islam.

That said, we must be vigilant against the imposition of sharia at home, we must fight PC acceptance of Islam tooth and nail, we must not permit Islam to be morally equated with Christianity.

Polling Data

So far, Perry's surge is undeniable. He is consuming all the oxygen. I very much regret the selfish and ultimately self-defeating attitude of the Perry/Palin camps in waging internecine guerrilla war. I suspect most of it is unauthorized. It is certainly unproductive.

I think Perry is setting the proper example which I have commented on these threads which is to leave his Republican rivals behind as he goes after Obama and bitch slaps him black and blue.