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To: NaturalBornConservative
Every birther article contains fallacy or false information, which usually starts early on.

Like this one:

The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the U.S. is not enough to be natural born; otherwise the grandfather clause would not have been necessary.

The Founding Fathers weren't excluded from being natural born citizens of the United States of America because being born on American soil "wasn't enough to be natural born." Under common law, which formed the basis for most of early US law and specifically the context in which the Constitution was written, all persons born in the country were considered "natural born," whether children of citizens or of aliens - the only exception being the children of foreign diplomats and occupying armies.

The Founding Fathers were excluded from being natural born citizens of the United States of America for the very simple and obvious reason that the United States of America did not exist when they were born.

3 posted on 12/18/2011 8:08:22 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Cue the ad hominem attacks.


4 posted on 12/18/2011 8:14:51 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

A voice of reason. Its about time we stick a fork into this natural born citizen thing. All it does is make our side look like a bunch of nutters. Since the 1880’s (anybody born before 4/4/1776 I presume is dead by then) there is only two kinds of citizens, those born in the US whose parents are not foreign diplomats thus eligible to be President, and those born outside the US and naturalized sometime in their life eligible for Congress but not President. There is no third or fourth kind, despite what the nutters insist on.


8 posted on 12/18/2011 9:53:12 PM PST by gusty
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