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Perry: On second thought, I oppose abortion in cases of rape and incest too
Hot Air ^ | 12/27/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 12/27/2011 7:10:06 PM PST by Rational Thought

Is it worth debating his motive here? If you’re passionately pro-life, you’ll take him at face value because people do, after all, have sincere changes of heart and it’s nice to have another principled advocate in the fold. If you’re passionately pro-Perry, you’ll say it’s a shrewd move because it might help him get a second look from social conservatives in Iowa who are otherwise leaning towards Bachmann or Santorum. And if you’re anti-Perry, you’ll say this isn’t a Christmas miracle so much as an exceptionally cynical seven-days-before-the-caucuses “miracle.”

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: amnesty; cynical; elections; heartless; perry; rickperry
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Will such a change in position (a few days prior to Iowa) work, backfire, or not even matter?
1 posted on 12/27/2011 7:10:15 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought
you’ll say it’s a shrewd move because it might help him get a second look from social conservatives

Most conservative people ain't that stupid.

2 posted on 12/27/2011 7:14:14 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Rational Thought

He is so repulsive. Again proving that he and Obama are 100 percent the same. Obama obviously is not pro life but he will change his principles on the drop of a hat if it will get him more votes. Santorum and Bachmann are the only true 100 percent pro-life folks.


3 posted on 12/27/2011 7:17:21 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Rational Thought
On second thought

Give me a break. His only second thought was that he might loose the nomination if he didn't have that second thought.

4 posted on 12/27/2011 7:17:42 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Rational Thought
Apart from an actual Road To Damascus life changing event, I don't understand how someone can change their opinion on abortion. For me, the baby is alive, it's human, it's innocent. Killing the baby is wrong. The circumstances don't matter. Rape, incest, suspected disability -- none of that makes it OK to kill a baby.

Politicians who find nuances and eventually decide that it is prudent to "tweak" their moral stance on abortion simply disgust me.

I am very sympathetic to individuals who were pro-abortion and then suddenly see how wrong it is, and change their view. But a "pro-life" politician who at one time would justify some exceptions, and then later decides that it expeditious to be "tougher" on abortion?

How cynical and sinful can a man be?

5 posted on 12/27/2011 7:20:55 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well put.


6 posted on 12/27/2011 7:23:58 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: napscoordinator

I’ll put Gov. Perry’s **accomplishments** on protecting the unborn up against anyone he is running against. Whichever position he takes on rape and incest victims doesn’t change my feelings. It represents less than 1% of the abortions performed in this country. IMO, let’s fix the other 99% first and then fight over this.


7 posted on 12/27/2011 7:24:14 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Rational Thought

Good to see Perry come around on this, as one cannot be Pro Life and not oppose abortion in cases of rape and incest.


8 posted on 12/27/2011 7:26:23 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: Rational Thought

For ****’s sake, our field is full of useless idiot whores.

This country doesn’t produce leaders anymore, doesn’t produce a damn thing anymore.

We are really in a heap of deep trouble :(


9 posted on 12/27/2011 7:26:52 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Santorum is a much better pro life leader and would make a great President. I think Santorum is going to do very well in Iowa. Perry not so much. And then New Hampshire they both are lacking but hopefully with Santorum doing well he will FINALLY get the exposure he deserves. I hope that Santorum wins South Carolina after doing well in Iowa.


10 posted on 12/27/2011 7:29:50 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

I don’t have a problem with Santorum in much he same sense as I don’t have a problem with a bowl of unseasoned grits. I very much doubt that he will be able to climb out of the bottom of the bowl, even in Iowa, and even with the round-the-clock pump-up he’s getting on Fox, but more power to him if he does.

What I do have a problem with is Santorum and Bachman promoters dumping on Rick Perry. Why? Because he actually does stand a chance of becoming the nominee.

Also, anyone who thinks opposing abortion even in the case of incest and/or rape is a political plus has the tinniest ear imaginable. This is a position that can only come from ideology since it has not a bit of political calculus in it. It’s a big negative and will cost him votes in the general.


11 posted on 12/27/2011 7:38:27 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: OrangeHoof

“I’ll put Gov. Perry’s **accomplishments** on protecting the unborn up against anyone he is running against. Whichever position he takes on rape and incest victims doesn’t change my feelings. It represents less than 1% of the abortions performed in this country. IMO, let’s fix the other 99% first and then fight over this.”

It’s that 1% that keeps the 99% “legal.”


12 posted on 12/27/2011 7:43:25 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Repugnant and heinous as abortion is , rape and incest are two cases where it would have to be considered. Note the word ‘’considered’’.


13 posted on 12/27/2011 7:44:53 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: John Valentine

What I do have a problem with is Santorum and Bachman promoters dumping on Rick Perry. Why? Because he actually does stand a chance of becoming the nominee.

Well I can’t speak for others but I am confident that he will not be the nominee. That much I am sure of. He has made himself a laughingstock and the American public is not going to pick someone like that....thank God. Remember Quayle? Although not his fault he still could never be taken seriously again. With Perry, it has been 100 percent his fault. The other thing is that I don’t trust him. He decides things by popularity and that is not a good thing. We had that with Clinton. He says he wrote into law the alien state tuition thing because everyone voted for it....he does not fight for his principles. Now because he is doing poorly in Iowa, he is going against what he believes, that killing babies is cool, he changes his mind 7 days before Iowa. I can’t see how anyone could trust this guy. I have thought he was a fraud from almost day one and it appears that I am more right every day.


14 posted on 12/27/2011 7:46:12 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: jmacusa
A bad man did a bad thing, and on that basis you would "consider" killing an innocent baby?

How is this different from tossing virgins into volcanoes to appease the gods? Innocent blood is shed, for no discernible benefit ... but we should still "consider" it?

15 posted on 12/27/2011 7:48:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: John Valentine

I’m not a big believer in coincidence, especially in politics. Perry’s new position appears politically motivated, as it happens to occur less than a week prior to Iowa.

I have some problems with Perry’s record and some of his “politics as usual” actions, but that alone wouldn’t preclude me from supporting him. What I have a much bigger issue with is his believability, such as his current revelation. Maybe I’m in the minority here and I’m living in a make believe world, but I have great difficulty supporting someone when I have doubts about the credibility of their public statements, and that goes for almost all of our field.


16 posted on 12/27/2011 7:58:27 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: jmacusa
Does a baby produced by rape or incest have a choice about being conceived?

No. Obviously.

Should it be killed because of it's origin?

I say no.

Your opinion is noted.

/johnny

17 posted on 12/27/2011 8:02:37 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: napscoordinator
Let's wait and see if Santorum has a strong showing in Iowa before writing him off. You might not like him for what ever your reason, but it's difficult to criticize his Conservative credentials or his intellect.

As for comparing him to Dan Quayle, I just don't see it.

18 posted on 12/27/2011 8:16:25 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

Texan here. I don’t like Perry (or anybody else in the race, for that matter), and I consider him ethically challenged in many areas.

But not on abortion. He’s been totally consistent, and it is one of the few subjects on which I believe what he says.


19 posted on 12/27/2011 8:28:57 PM PST by Jedidah
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” Now because he is doing poorly in Iowa, he is going against what he believes, that killing babies is cool”

Rick Perry has never even hinted that he believes “killing babies is cool.” That sort of rhetoric is the type of stupidity that could cost conservatives the election. Bite your tongue and go take a nap.


20 posted on 12/27/2011 8:41:11 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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