[Roy Baty]

If I told you where I work mk, I'd have to kill you, but suffice to say that Ron Paul is against the Patriot Act and some of our best tools to use against the bad guys were provided by that Act. Tools that were taken away by the dems in the 70’s and that Britain and most other countries have available to them.

[mkjessup]

Roy, we're NOT Britain and "most other countries", the so-called Patriot Act is a double edged sword and if you work where I think you do, you probably know this. Catching the bad guys has always been the goal, the FBI for domestic espionage/sabotage, the CIA for dealing with foreign threats outside the CONUS, NSA for signals intelligence, collection and analysis, in addition to the myriad of alphabet soup agencies, some military, some not.

The majority of our intelligence gathering difficulties over the past 20 years can for the most part be laid at the feet of none other than Jamie Gorelick, who made it damn near impossible for intelligence agencies to share data, due to the construction of her infamous "wall" which effectively gave aid and assistance to the 9/11 hijackers, along with John Effin' Kerry, who stiff armed a pair of FAA security professionals who were desperate to warn him about the lack of security at Logan Airport in Boston, but that's another story for another time.

Nobody wants to see America suffer an intelligence failure as we did on 9/11 or at any other time. However our freedoms and liberties that are enshrined in our Constitution cannot be the price for 100 percent guaranteed intelligence gathering effectiveness. The Soviet Union had one of the most pervasive and efficient intelligence apparatus seen anywhere on the planet, of course the price was the mental and physical tyranny over their population.

I'm sure that our illustrious former President George W. Bush and "Pennsylvania's Tom Ridge" had the very best of intentions when the fascist Department of Homeland Security was created, how secure are we today? And moreover, how secure are we with 0bama and his anti-American cabal with their hands on those "best tools" you speak of?

Sorry Roy, at one time I was a fervent and unwaving supporter of GWB and creating any and every sort of intelligence mechanism to fight terrorism. Unfortunately, there were never any true controls integrated with those tools that provided any effective oversight over 'who' is/was designated a terrorist and who wasn't.

Janet Incompetentano, Eric Holder, just to name two. I don't know about you FRiend, but knowing those two liberal cruds have control of such investigative methods does NOT help me to sleep better at night, far from it.