ALL: OK, I gave Allon an opportunity to clarify this...he hasn't.
Allow me to use this then as an opportunity for you to see how Mormon apologists trade in deception.
What did Allon do here:
EXAMPLE #1:
Allon the Mormon engaged in reductionism: He reduced the issue to only effecting black men...[Mormons regularly reduce the victims involved so that they don't have to answer to consequences for their actions and that of their relatives & spiritual forefathers]
Since women can't hold the priesthood, he passed right over the impact of Mormon theology, practices & policies on them.
Antiw1 in post #42 gave an example of some of the impact of Mormonism's racism upon a black woman living in the midst of Mormons. And, mind you, we are NOT talking about racism as practiced by individuals -- but openly sanctioned institutional racism whereby men say this is God's direct revelational "say" about blacks, etc.
EXAMPLE #2:
Could non-white women be married in the Mormon temple pre-1978? (NO!)
EXAMPLE #3:
It was more "than just a priesthood issue" -- and Allon the Mormon should know this even by reading his own Doctrine & Covenants & past statements from his leaders. So a third example is that Mormons deliberately withheld what they believed to be the "gospel" from non-whites.
Proof (excerpt from Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church Part Three [Martin Luther King & Malcolm X 'Mormons?']:
While there was no restriction on blacks joining the LDS Church, there was no direct effort to evangelize them. Apostle Bruce McConkie, writing in 1958, declared: Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them . . . Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned . . . (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, Bookcraft, 1958 edition, p. 477; changed in later editions). William E. Berrett, Vice Administrator of the Brigham Young University, explained: "...no direct efforts have been made to proselyte among them" (Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart, supplement by William E. Berrett, Horizon, 1978, part 2, p. 65).
If Allon would open up Doctrine & Covenants 134:12, what does he find there? [Btw, D&C 134 is still regularly cited by Mormon leaders...they just tend to skip over v. 12):
”We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, NEITHER PREACH THE GOSPEL TO, NOR BAPTIZE THEM contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or INFLUENCE THEM IN THE LEAST OR CAUSE THEM TO BE DISSATISFIED WITH THEIR SITUATIONS IN THIS LIFE, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.” [Still on-the-books Mormon "scripture" -- D&C 134:12]
This passages makes it quite clear – in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--somehow, LDS think that "religious freedom" applies to everyone except slaves!
D&C 134:12, written in 1835 pro-slavery America, made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.
D&C 134:12 "settles" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS Answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.
And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business “property,” or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: "nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life..."
(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)
EXAMPLE #4:
Could non-whites -- women or men -- get temple recommends prior to 1978? (NO!) In fact, one of the reasons weighing upon Spencer Kimball (Lds "prophet" who rescinded the policies -- but NOT Mormon "scripture" on race in 1978) was the forthcoming opening of a temple in Brazil...he knew all about the mixed-race history of many in that country.
The virtual "no blacks allowed" on Mormon temple doors clearly communicated a message to non-whites that "WHITE families are forever" -- the bumper sticker you see on Mormon cars.
You see, only Mormons with temple recommends are "eligible" for the highest degree of Mormon glory...only THEY get to become "gods" ... and only THEY get to live with family members forever...so say Mormon leaders.
This shows that despite Allon's claims, it "wasn't just a priesthood issue."
SUMMARY:
All of these examples above carried all kinds of theological and sociological and just plain sinful demeanor & impact up & down the Lds church!!!
I now openly question the intellectual integrity of Allon the Mormon reductionist. His credibility is highly suspect.
according to mormon theology
black mormons pre-1978 who died without the masonic temple rituals performed on them, to enter the celestial kingdom,
would instead enter the telestial kingdom, where good people like Gandhi and Mother Teresa go, righteous people who didn’t earn the temple hokey pokey that makes them gods...it’s described to mormons as being earthlike, but like a big slum area...not heavenlike...only the celestial kingdom is heaven as Christians use the term
and it’s said that the people who were mormons but didn’t et their temple recommend (tr) or were black and forbidden from the temple ceremonies, these most worthy in all the telestial kingdom would be allowed to become servants or “ministering angels” to their mormon betters for all eternity
in other words, all the black mormons are slaves in the mormon heaven, according to mormon belief...joseph smith himself started the practice with a black mormon woman who was a servant of his, she was not admitted to be sealed in the temople ceremonies, instead js sealed her as his bondservant to him for all eternity...
i just wonder if any of the civil rights represeatives know that the most righteous of their passed on relatives are supposedly being baptized by mormons in proxy for the sake of their souls...but also that mormon doctrine states they are meant for no better than to be slaves on a higher plantation AGAIN owned by the white man...
but they make such cute commercials, and their missionaries are so clean cut.