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To: GBA
Just know that you are surrounded by people who have found something that you know doesn't exist, but that they know personally. History is full of such examples and their stories.

There certainly are.  Millions know personally that such things as Bigfoot, ESP, dowsing, angels, demons, astrology, UFOs, ghosts, crystal healing, faith healing, and homeopathy work / are real.  And they're all so much BS.  

Let's not forget that over a billion people know personally that there is only one God (Allah), and Muhammed is his prophet.

Belief is meaningless.  And for the record, I don't *know* that God doesn't exists.  I'm an agnostic.

We have learned much compared to where we humans started from, but we know so very little about what actually is.

Compare the knowledge that advances in science have given us in, say, they last 200 years to the knowledge that advances in theology have given us in the last 2000 years.

I'll stick to science.  It's the best tool ever invented to investigate the nature of the universe.

126 posted on 09/19/2012 2:54:01 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Joseph Harrolds
You're a hard case, that much is clear to me, just like I am. And, it is just as clear that I don't have much more to offer you.

Just an opinion, as is almost everything else I write, but I suspect you've been offered/shown more than enough proof by the One you asked for forgiveness.

You just won't let yourself see it yet.

A teacher once told me we put blocks in place to keep us from what we're not ready for. That's been my experience as well.

Good luck on your path out of The Matrix! (and watch out for miracles...seriously)

128 posted on 09/19/2012 5:55:39 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Joseph Harrolds
There certainly are. Millions know personally that such things as Bigfoot, ESP, dowsing, angels, demons, astrology, UFOs, ghosts, crystal healing, faith healing, and homeopathy work / are real. And they're all so much BS.

Let's not forget that over a billion people know personally that there is only one God (Allah), and Muhammed is his prophet.


Some believing in false gods does not prove that a true living God does not exist.

Belief is meaningless.

It's certainly not worthless. In any endeavor, a belief that the endeavor is worthy and will succeed helps to maintain good morale, and increases the ability of the person or group to persevere and see the endeavor through to successful completion. When people have little faith that their efforts will bear fruit, it is very detrimental to their efforts. When someone loses faith in you, is it not disheartening ? "Oh ye of little faith" are words our Lord spoke; God our heavenly Father must be so disheartened at our lack of faith.

You probably agree with this, but by meaningless, I'm sure you mean that if something is truly false, believing that it is true does not change the fact that the thing is false. The person who believes in something false is lying to themselves.

This leads to the question of how can we have confidence that our faith is not for naught, how can we be assured that the promises of Scripture are true and God is ?

These very questions are posed in the Bible and answers are given.

And for the record, I don't *know* that God doesn't exists. I'm an agnostic.

Not knowing provides a purpose for seeking; not seeking reveals not wanting to know, at least not enough to make the effort to seek. This in itself is a rejection of God.

We have learned much compared to where we humans started from, but we know so very little about what actually is.

Compare the knowledge that advances in science have given us in, say, they last 200 years to the knowledge that advances in theology have given us in the last 2000 years.

I'll stick to science. It's the best tool ever invented to investigate the nature of the universe.


Ecclesiastes 9

"4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.

9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."
131 posted on 09/19/2012 9:55:33 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Joseph Harrolds
I'll stick to science. It's the best tool ever invented to investigate the nature of the universe.

You say that, but science and the scientific method do not dismiss all evidence that doesn't agree with their theory. If they do, they aren't science and their methods not scientific.

Then again, if the only tool you have is a hammer, I suppose everything looks like a nail...just don't get too comfortable in your arrogance.

The lessons found there are not enjoyable. Wouldn't you agree?

132 posted on 09/20/2012 7:03:58 AM PDT by GBA
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