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To: john drake
Brainwashed by feminists, huh? I guess it depends what definition of a feminist is;

I have no doubt that everything you describe about how things were when you were younger is true. However, your previous post was one where you called all men dogs and implied that women were the virtuous ones who are now corrupted to be like the dirty men.

Well, that is the feminist view of things - the ancient Greeks and Romans saw that women were, by nature, vicious and unfaithful when left to their own devices. Some of the Greek philosophers went as far as to debate whether women had souls. In either case, they determined that women were incapable of moral agency, which is to say that women were incapable of determining and accepting responsibility for right and wrong behavior. Men had to discipline them and enforce virture as if the women were children.

I'm sure you are much older than me, if for no other reason than that the world you describe is nothing like the one I grew up in. I would say that in US society, up until the "sexual revolution" (which really was a sexual de-evolution back to the days of primates) men did enforce the codes of conduct, and men were the ones who made such codes noble. The "sexual revolution" took that authority away from men, and women reverted to their true nature, which is what we see now.
72 posted on 01/25/2014 7:46:24 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

I find your argument compelling; my description of men as dogs meant that basically, if men could have their way with women, at no cost, (i.e., non-emotional, non-commital)then the majority would most likely prefer that behavior (assuming they eschewed any sense of morality and conscience in the process), however empty they felt later. Cheap thrills, teenagers who never grew up. My less than scientific observation was that women provided the domestication of men to be husbands and fathers,further enforced by societal norms and laws. Women also provided the moral guidance to the children (as fathers did, but on a lesser scale; they were brought in as the “muscle” to enforce discipline and punishment, either physical or verbal, or both). Hence the women being, in reality, the stronger and more virtuous, albeit kept in the background and expected to be subservient. Both of my parents were college educated, with my father completing graduate school, but neither of my parents exhibited a “sophisticated” outlook on life, but rather a traditional practice. I think the sexual revolution, combined with the economic independence for women occurring pretty much at the same time, may have provided the authority to women, at least in the sense that they were given “freedom” to choose their lifestyle and behavior, however, weak men (in the traditional sense, those who can’t control their libido) further allowed it, given their enslavement to sexual desires could be further advanced. With the loss of the moral code and the de-evolution as you put it, men and women were allowed to revert back to their true nature; selfish, immature and uncaring for others,that is, the loss of the basic societal structure of Judeo-Christian Western Civilization, for lack of a better description. An ugly price is being paid, and will for decades to come. Generations will suffer, indeed. Yes, I did grow up in a different, perhaps a more naive time in America, but not unaware of worldly ways. Currently, it doesn’t resemble the U.S. of my youth at all, and I grew up in one of the largest cities in the U.S. I don’t expect it to return to those times either. There will always be bad behavior, by both men and women, but I never thought I’d see what’s transpired in my life time. I appreciate your commentary greatly, and respect your observations in these troubled times. Thank you.


73 posted on 01/25/2014 9:08:52 PM PST by john drake (Lucius Accius-Roman,170 BC - "oderint dum metuant" translated "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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