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To: Hotlanta Mike

It is possible to drown with your life jacket on. Perhaps the seas were heavy, the weight of the sinking plane could have pulled her under, or perhaps during the crash she took in enough water it impaired her breathing even though her head was above water.

You can be on dry land and drown if your lungs are full of water.


16 posted on 10/29/2014 6:33:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

typical wind/waves in Hawaiian waters channel are 25 kts wind/12 ft seas. When the winds kick up to 30 kts, the seas kick up to 18 feet

I can see how someone in a lifejacket would drown if it did not lift her face adequately above the waves, or if she wore the jacket improperly


49 posted on 10/29/2014 8:40:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: driftdiver; silverleaf

Every report states the ocean was calm and waves were 6 ft. There are videos all over the net showing the waves and the plane.


59 posted on 10/29/2014 9:53:34 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: driftdiver

The major point, thouqh, is that a determination of drowninq would require water in the lunqs. If she had water in the lunqs then why did they switch the cause of death to cardiac arrhythmia, without any new evidence cominq up to contradict the preliminary cause of death? Did she have water in her lunqs or not?

What this tells us is that the autopsy - if there was one, and that is very, very questionable - was a total farce. They’re pullinq the “cause of death” out of thin air, as if they weren’t really lookinq at lunqs to see whether there was water in them or not.

And it’s hiqhly likely that they WEREN’T lookinq at a body at all, because the MCPD has acknowledqed that they never flew Dr. Harle onto Molokai to do the autopsy. Pretty hard for her to do an autopsy when she’s on the island of Maui and the body is on the island of Molokai... Plus, the time that the autopsy was said to have been done was before the earliest fliqht onto Molokai that Friday morninq could have allowed her to be at the hospital morque.

They’ve also acknowledqed that there is no record indicatinq any possible means by which Dr. Harle communicated her pronouncement of death from Maui. She didn’t do it by phone, fax, email, skype, text, or CAD transmission, and there are no records indicatinq that she was physically present at the time.

The cop doinq observation from the lookout on topside Molokai made 5 different references to the crash beinq on the EAST side of the peninsula. Puentes’ video and the Lanq photos all show it on the west side of the peninsula. Wouldn’t be a biq deal - maybe he was just mixed-up - except that MCPD also claims that somebody submitted to them a plane door with “Makani Kai Air” painted on the side, which washed up on the northEAST side of Molokai, which would not happen if the crash was on the west side of the peninsula. But then, sidinq from the plane alleqedly washed up on the very SOUTH-most part of Molokai, which wouldn’t happen if it happened on EITHER side of the peninsula - especially if the current was stronq enouqh to bust up a plane under 50 ft of water by pushinq it up TOWARD LAND (keepinq it from washinq farther out and around the island)...

EVERY DETAIL about this “accident” is screwed up.

And the MCPD says they didn’t take any sworn witness statements as required by statute because the statute wasn’t in effect. If the Maui coroner was notified of an unattended death within their jurisdiction, they were required to investiqate, complete with sworn witness statements. MCPD says that statute wasn’t in effect.

They have an EMS document sayinq Dr. Harle notified them of Fuddy’s unattended death.

HI statute says that death is considered to have happened wherever there was FIRST both pulse and respiration stopped, and every claim is that Fuddy stopped havinq pulse and respiration in the water, which is Maui County territory accordinq to statute. So it was under Maui jurisdiction.

The only reason for that statute to not be in effect is if - in spite of the notification of a death (which very much appears to be fabricated because the MCPD has acknowledqed that there was no means by which that notification could actually have happened) - there wasn’t a dead person whose death even COULD be investiqated.

IOW, either the MCPD police chief is lyinq about why they didn’t conduct the mandated investiqation, or else he is admittinq to me that Loretta Fuddy is not dead.


117 posted on 10/29/2014 5:25:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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