Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

"So, wearily and with a reluctance born of not even supporting the argument’s conclusion, let me restate the conservative Catholic’s only proper response to news such as that from Dublin last weekend. It is that 62 per cent in a referendum does not cause a sin in the eyes of God to cease to be a sin."

It saddens me that an atheist gets this point better than many who claim to be Christian.

1 posted on 05/30/2015 1:13:28 PM PDT by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last
To: ReformationFan

No worries for the english gay atheists.

The muslims will make their case.

And they will do much more than pray for you.


2 posted on 05/30/2015 1:19:23 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

Thanks for posting this, and yes that is the money quote.

I really, really don’t have much of a problem with gays (my own brother was gay and I knew he was gay before I knew what gay was, he’s gone to the next world so I could only guess at what he’d think of the recent goings on, he’d be close to our gentle author I imagine).

But what I do have a big, big problem with is saying that it’s “the same”. That’s some big fat denial of reality right there.


3 posted on 05/30/2015 1:22:00 PM PDT by jocon307
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan
Okay, here is the secular angle — gays get a thrill out of inserting their private parts into what is no different than a sewer. Yes, a sewer with all of the nasties that make us very sick and even have the potential to kill us.

And gays want this this to be equated with normal heterosexual sex the way nature or God (take your pick) intended. Both God and if nature is your god agree on this point.

4 posted on 05/30/2015 1:22:03 PM PDT by dhs12345
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

100% in agreement. Just further evidence the great apostasy foretold right before the second coming of Christ is here.


5 posted on 05/30/2015 1:24:04 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

“t saddens me that an atheist gets this point better than many who claim to be Christian.”

He doesn’t “get it” rather he is crowing, strutting, sneering. He thinks it’s all over. He thinks he won and he is happily surprised that it was so easy.

Pray for the poor delusional bastard.


6 posted on 05/30/2015 1:24:24 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Joe 6-pack

ping


8 posted on 05/30/2015 1:32:20 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (I believe it ! He's alive! Sweet Jesus!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

What this cold dead soul is doing is laughing at the modern Catholic Church which is no longer a standard reflecting God’s character but a wet-finger-in-the-wind reflection of decaying morality, of a dying species. The essay is a mocking, in typical dried, stale, sin-drenched dead soul style. Sadly, the writer is mocking the ONLY person Who can save this sexual degenerate atheist from his destined agonies. Such an one has no remorse for his mocking nor any respect for those pleading for his immortal soul. Apparently, Ireland is now grown fat with such dead souls.


11 posted on 05/30/2015 1:43:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

The author must be a contributor to Gay Patriot, lol.


12 posted on 05/30/2015 1:45:46 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan; Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Catholic ping!


13 posted on 05/30/2015 1:47:42 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

I see the church opposing gay marriage its just that their voices are censored by the msm and hollywood is pushing the gay agenda.

For instance COGIC doesn’t accept gay marriage and its bishops speak against it in church but you won’t see the media giving black ministers airtime on this issue.


14 posted on 05/30/2015 1:49:44 PM PDT by RginTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

IMHO! It’s really no big deal. Normal, non-***holes already know “gay marriage” is a freak show. You know something evil is afoot when even Pygmy leaders in the most remote jungles of the world are being forced to “support” that horse **** the “media” calls “same sex marriage”.


15 posted on 05/30/2015 1:51:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without God there would be no science.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan
Interesting essay. For the record, there is no mention of Moloch in Exodus 32. Cows were worshipped in the Egyptian religion so maybe the golden calf was connected more with Egyptian religion than Canaanite religion.

How did the Israelite women have enough gold in their earrings for Aaron to make a golden calf? Was it hollow? They did "borrow" jewelry from the Egyptians before leaving Egypt so maybe that's where some of the gold came from.

16 posted on 05/30/2015 1:54:54 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

‘Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you’


19 posted on 05/30/2015 2:06:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan
Can’t these Christians see that the moral basis of their faith cannot be sought in the pollsters’ arithmetic?

As RC Sproul once put it: We cannot determine what is right or wrong by counting noses.

Yep, a self-proclaimed homosexual atheist (in my opinion, no one is truly atheist--just self deluded at best, per Romans 1) seems to "get it" when so many so-called church leaders do not understand.

29 posted on 05/30/2015 2:54:58 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

Government regulation of marriage has been taken over by the Pink Swastika crowd. Bake the cake or they will send government to destroy your family business. This is homo-fascism in action.

If we have a separation of church and state, in order to protect godly marriage, we must separate marriage and state.

When marriage is a private matter once again, the Pink Swastika crowd cannot force anyone to bake a cake they don’t want to.


30 posted on 05/30/2015 2:55:19 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

For the English, we’ll let the Muslims deal with you. We’re sick of the endless debate.


32 posted on 05/30/2015 3:10:39 PM PDT by Viennacon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan

“Can’t these Christians see that the moral basis of their faith cannot be sought in the pollsters’ arithmetic? What has the Irish referendum shown us? It is that a majority of people in the Republic of Ireland in 2015 do not agree with their church’s centuries-old doctrine that sexual relationships between two people of the same gender are a sin. Fine: we cannot doubt that finding. But can a preponderance of public opinion reverse the polarity between virtue and vice? Would it have occurred for a moment to Moses (let alone God) that he’d better defer to Moloch-worship because that’s what most of the Israelites wanted to do?”

God clearly states that people who commit sexual immorality cannot be given eternal life. What about that is hard to accept? See Revelation 22:15 or Colossians chapter 3.

As for marriage itself, it is a covenant between a man and woman. That by its very nature is a private matter. We have made a grave error by allowing government to have any role in defining or regulating it. People who are hostile to God now occupy government offices and have allowed themselves to be used to destroy godly marriage.

If we have separation of Church and State, for the sake of marriage we must also have a separation of marriage and State. Then anyone can enter into any relationship they please, but the people who want to use the State to force others to Bake the Cake will no longer be able to do so.


33 posted on 05/30/2015 3:12:50 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan
Abortion next, I suppose.

Yes, and then the Jews ... again.

34 posted on 05/30/2015 3:13:26 PM PDT by dr_lew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

bkmk


36 posted on 05/30/2015 3:42:43 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ReformationFan; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...

The reason marriage is insisted upon by the homosexual movement is because the devil seeks to create an alternative society in which he is followed, even if thru proxy pseudo-savior servants*, and in which are his counterfeit corrupted versions of what God created, from inducing men to worship/ultimately live/trust in created things versus the creator, to sexually joining together what God has placed asunder.

Civil partnerships would be enough if that is only what was hetros were provided, but sodomite activist seek equal and actually superior rights.

The issue for this nation is whether it will follow the general implicit basis for its moral laws or the ever-morphing morality of unanchored secularism.

Separation of church and state cannot mean the latter can have no religious basis for its laws or preferences to a religion, as behind the laws of every state is a belief system. While sharing many commonalities with other religions, the laws of America also generally reflect the Christian heritage of the Founders overall and the character of America. And from English law and ecclesiastical law.

And which Founders and judicial system acknowledged the superintendence of a Creator, and reliance thereupon, which presupposes a source of revelation from Him, both general (nature) and special (written).

In a Constitutional Republic laws are to be consistent and not violate the Constitution, interpretation of which requires one to understand the intent of the Founders, and their basis, and thus what their judgment would be in present cases (which surely would not consider porn to be protected speech, much less homosexual unions to be sanctioned).

The laws and upholding therefore are also reflective of the overall character of the people, since they elect, directly or indirectly, the interpreters of the Constitution.

Which means that as the overall character of “we the people” changes, so also can historical laws, as judges turn the Constitution into an elastic document, and impose their mind upon the Founders.

*Proxy servants gain power either by force or by infecting the people with the devil;s victim-entitlement mentality, in which souls see themselves as victims by not having the same benefits of those who obtained them by the merit of their character and actions, and also reject that they should be punished for the lack thereof. Which is basically what the devil conveyed in Gn. 3, after the original “occupy movement” and “share the wealth” campaign of Isaiah 14 went South).

And which destroys the concept of mercy and grace, as equal benefits are made to be a right, regardless of character and actions.

The proxy servants therefore present themselves as the saviors of the “oppressed,” promising them the benefits denied them due to indolence, illicit actions or lack of endurance. Which benefits are presented as a right, and at the expense of those who obeyed Biblical principals of rewards, not as the expense of these pseudo-saviors.

Instead, the intent of these “saviors” individually and as a class, is the obtaining and security of their own power and prestige and pleasures, and the effect of their “wealth redistribution” is equal impoverishment, and increasing dependance upon them without any real gain, thus ensuring their seat, with increasingly harsh rule and oppression. Far worse than any oppression and injustice their electors experienced under the capitalist system.

In Scripture, God needs nothing, and provides man with both good things and good and holy laws. But under which man deserves only punishment, yet mercy and grace is provided at the Creators expense and credit, which God enables and motivates men to respond to.

However, under grace the Creator also rewards those who respond to His mercy and grace by obedience, which is actually due to His working. And thus while the devil sought to “climb up some other way” in self-exaltation and was cast down, those who humble themselves as the sinners they are, and respond to God’s grace with the obedience of faith are rewarded, even to sitting with the Lord in His throne, “even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” (Revelation 3:21) Even though God is the author of their ability and motivation, and the only thing he truly merits of his own accord is damnation.


44 posted on 05/31/2015 5:31:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson