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“E Plebnista.” Star Trek Episode 52.5 (1968)
rightwingconservativenews.com ^ | August 5, 2015 | rightwingconservativenews.com

Posted on 08/05/2015 6:29:55 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine

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To: Flag_This

...yes...yes...you are great...i am great...together we are great....


21 posted on 08/05/2015 6:57:55 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine (Don't say, "the administration," or "the EPA"--say "OBAMA." Give him full credit)
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To: Reverend Saltine

I do not fully understand, one named Kirk. But the holy words will be obeyed. I swear it.


22 posted on 08/05/2015 7:06:48 PM PDT by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Reverend Saltine

I thought it was “I pledge allegiance”


23 posted on 08/05/2015 7:19:48 PM PDT by webheart (We are all pretty much living in a fiction.)
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To: Flag_This

and so, it was good....


24 posted on 08/05/2015 7:27:21 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine (Don't say, "the administration," or "the EPA"--say "OBAMA." Give him full credit)
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To: webheart

nope nope, i checked it all different ways, and Kirk even says it while showing the words WE THE PEOPLE


25 posted on 08/05/2015 7:28:06 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine (Don't say, "the administration," or "the EPA"--say "OBAMA." Give him full credit)
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To: Flag_This
Yangs Colmes

26 posted on 08/05/2015 7:35:42 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Ray76

One of the all time worst wigs.

I always liked Cloud William. Chief. Also son of chief.


27 posted on 08/05/2015 7:57:47 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: relictele

I don’t know that one.


28 posted on 08/05/2015 8:01:50 PM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: webheart

I thought that at first too. I think earlier in the episode one of the Yangs recites the Pledge and Kirk ungarbled it in a moment of realization.


29 posted on 08/05/2015 8:03:58 PM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: Reverend Saltine

Nice try, but I still support Trump.

(couldn’t resist)


30 posted on 08/05/2015 8:22:18 PM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: Ray76

The wig is on the ‘village elder.’

Cloud William is the chief of the Yangs (Yankees) in this episode ‘The Omega Glory.’


31 posted on 08/05/2015 8:24:46 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: webheart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9stltPcAp7k#t=374


32 posted on 08/05/2015 8:25:18 PM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: relictele

Ah. OK.


33 posted on 08/05/2015 8:25:43 PM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: Reverend Saltine
Wednesday, July 4, 2012

"E Plebnista" vs "We the People"


The original Star Trek series occasionally went, more or less boldly, into politics--perhaps most notably in the “The Omega Glory” episode which first aired on March 1, 1968. In this episode, Kirk finds himself on a strange planet caught in the middle of a war between a tribe of Asiatic village dwellers called the “Khoms,” and a group of wild nomads called the “Yangs.” (“Yankees” and “Communists,” get it). The Yangs are mostly barbarians, but they do evidence a (surprisingly familiar) past culture in their use of talismanic  “worship words” such as “Freedom,” “Liberty,” and “Justice for All.” 

The greatest of all Yang worship words—known as the "E plebnista"—can only be spoken by a chief. In the dramatic climax (which does not explain why the Yangs speak English and carry around American flags), Kirk resolves the great conflict by recognizing that E plebnista is actually a corruption of “We the People” and giving the Yangs a good dose of high school civics. 

YouTube: Captain Kirk Preamble

Gene Roddenberry’s here point is worth remembering: when the Constitution is made the subject of adoration, and when its key passages are converted into acontextualized proof texts, we end up with a ridiculous form of ancestor worship instead of a participatory democracy. We ignore the flesh-and-blood Founders by converting them into two-dimensional deities and their ideas about self-government into a prescriptive list of commandments. “We the people” becomes “E plebnista.”

For me, a sign that somebody has gone well down the E plebnista road to is the tendency to talk about the government as a “them” and the American people as an “us.” This is common on both sides of the political spectrum these days, depending on whose ox happens to be getting gored. 

If we can learn only one single lesson from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the lives of the Founding Fathers, it is that the government is an “us” not a “them.” But since we don’t always agree with each other, the “us” that is the government will sometimes act in ways we, as individuals, do not support. That’s how participatory democracy works in a large republic. When we insist on speaking of the government as something other than ourselves, we invalidate the right of people who disagree with us to take part in the democratic process.

We miss the point badly when we try to guess what Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton would have thought about the individual mandate or the top capital gains tax rate. That is “E plabnista” thinking, or lookin to the Constitution as a religious text designed to provide us with a list of commandments to run our lives by. But the whole point of “We the people” is that we are, well, the people. The Framers gave us a process that we can use to create the kind of society that we want to live in; they never meant to give us “worship words” to keep in a box. 



34 posted on 08/05/2015 8:45:14 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

extremely well written but i disagree

this a representative democrasy, not a participatory democrasy

the government has been-—and will always be-— a THEM, and the people are WE

the reason currently is that the entire system has been ravaged and destroyed and no longer works as intended

How?

by men

it’s always the same me

all thriough recorded history; nothing at all changes

you can look it up

the experiment is definitely over

once the senators were taken out of the state’s hands, it essentially ended. that, and the money from the god-cursed “mega donors” who now control the Country

i could go on but i actually am not in the mood


35 posted on 08/05/2015 9:19:13 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine (Don't say, "the administration," or "the EPA"--say "OBAMA." Give him full credit)
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To: BobL

i support trump, so i don;t know why you said that

but Trump can’t save the country or the world

it’s over already and cannot be reversed or stopped


36 posted on 08/05/2015 9:21:38 PM PDT by Reverend Saltine (Don't say, "the administration," or "the EPA"--say "OBAMA." Give him full credit)
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To: smokingfrog

LOL...sure you can...as long as it is in the script.


37 posted on 08/05/2015 9:25:05 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Bratch

“Gene Roddenberry’s here point is worth remembering: when the Constitution is made the subject of adoration, and when its key passages are converted into acontextualized proof texts, we end up with a ridiculous form of ancestor worship instead of a participatory democracy.”

Unless I see a direct quote from gene I’m not buying that....The point I got was that the khoms had viturally wiped out the yangs with the help of a star fleet officer gone rogue....but in the end...the Yangs cound not be defeated because of their beserker approach to battle for their most sacred idea...”liberty”.

But yes the episode was campy as hell.


38 posted on 08/05/2015 9:31:31 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: smokingfrog

Yeah, but she gets weird around cats.


39 posted on 08/05/2015 9:51:33 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: smokingfrog

Yeah, but she gets weird around cats.


40 posted on 08/05/2015 9:51:36 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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