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To: pboyington
I really and honestly thought that the Female Rangers who made it through training had met the full standards and had not received preferential lower standards.

But the women had been allowed lower standards and they knew it. It also seem the commanding officer bowed to White House pressure and abused his command authority to pressure field instructors to pass unqualified women

All involved should be invited to resign

3 posted on 12/08/2015 9:11:14 PM PST by rdcbn ("If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin." Zell Miller)
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To: rdcbn; pboyington
I really and honestly thought that the Female Rangers who made it through training had met the full standards and had not received preferential lower standards. But the women had been allowed lower standards and they knew it. It also seem the commanding officer bowed to White House pressure and abused his command authority to pressure field instructors to pass unqualified women All involved should be invited to resign

Those women are not Rangers, which is a common misconception. They are not US Army Rangers. To be considered Rangers, they would have to be part of the 75th Ranger Regiment, which is a direct action special operations force that has always been elite light infantry and in the last few years become even more elite (moving from just taking over airfields and direct action raids, to being attached to JSOC for Delta Force and SEAL Team 6 support, and in several cases, doing their own T1 missions). They are hard men doing hard work.

What those ladies did is simply attend 'Ranger School,' something that many soldiers do. Ranger School is a leadership program with a good dab of physical in it, but finishing Ranger School does not make one a Ranger. It gives you a tab, but to be a US Army Ranger you need to get a scroll. Finishing Ranger School gets one a tab. Getting selected into the 75th Ranger Regiment gets one a scroll, and makes on a Ranger.

I know it doesn't seem like a big thing, but many articles were making it seem like those ladies became Rangers ...they are not.

As for women in special operations. The issue is that to be part of the elite one has to be elite. They (usually) operate in small independent groups in situations that may involve being far behind enemy lines. A good case-in-point is when a British SAS mission in the Gulf War went upside down, and the survivors basically had to trek a very long distance in hostile territory. Another example is a British SBS mission in Afghanistan, where they had to take over a fort that had gotten overrun by Taliban or Al Qaeda. Anyone who cannot carry their own weight (literally and figuratively) can compromise the mission and lead to injury or death. Thus, lowering standards just to include women would be not just wrong but quite stupid as well.

However, there have been women in various special operations units - but only in highly specialized roles. For example, GROM (a Polish spec-ops unit that is considered hard as nails and has served alongside Delta) does have women. Why? For missions where to infiltrate a place so as to track a target (and pass as someone who is benign), it may make sense for the 'drunk' man to be walking down the street with an equally 'drunk' and amorous woman. Seeing two men walking at 9pm may draw more attention that seeing a man and a woman kissing at the corner, and it would be better than the SpecOps guy just paying a prostitute for a kiss since the female GROM can be able to shoot (quite well) while a hired prostitute would be dead weight.

However, again, it is obvious this is a highly specific circumstance.

Having women join en masse, and doing so by lowering targets, would be a mistake.

9 posted on 12/09/2015 12:00:57 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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