Posted on 12/11/2015 1:28:38 PM PST by w1n1
Ever had things go wrong with your FFL when purchasing a firearm and/or applying for your license?
There are many stories of mishaps that we don't normally hear about, but the folks from these forums (AR15, 1911forum) threads had this to say:
TexHeim: "I've had a dealer forget to have me fill out the 4473, but they had pissed me off so badly I didn’t remind them of that step." "I thought Taurus had sent me the wrong pistol as I was supposed to get a PT140 and they sent a PT111. Well I called Taurus and they said mine was on back order… I then called my buddy who was having a similar gun to the one that I received shipped to same FFL that works out of his house. My buddy says that that's not his gun as the service number isn't even close to his. The service number on the gun I received is 8 numbers off my actual service number."
Silver81: "I had one that the receipt had the wrong serial number."
PhotoShooter: "Not a wrong gun. But, I used an FFL to transfer an on-line purchase. Filled out the Form 4473, than the FFL handed me the gun, without calling in the NICS check. I was confused and concerned, I asked if he was going to call in background check. FFL said no need to. I presented my CCW permit and State I.D. I left confused and very concerned. I have never experience this before." "Lesson learned? Don't use this FFL ever AGAIN!!! I don’t need the ATF knocking on my door."
These are just a few and many more from others.
Like it or not, we humans need order, and often that order comes in the form of paperwork. So what do you do when you do all the paperwork and something still goes wrong?
Occasionally, this will happen. With billions of people in the world and a few hundred-million in the US, some numbers are gonna get flipped, it's just what's going to happen. So here's what to do when this inevitably happens to you! Read the rest of the FFL story here.
ATF Permanent Brady Permit Chart (List of states with an approved alternative to a Brady NICS check.)
Step 1: wonder why the paperwork is required in the first place.
Just bought a S & W 351PD this am here in California. Haven’t bought a gun in years and between the safety test and forms and technicalities of the 10 day waiting period and me having 2 hours to waste.....wow
So we established that the folks at ‘A Shooting Journal’ don’t know much about guns?
Per the ATF:
You are NOT required to conduct a NICS or State
background check with respect to the following:
The sale or transfer of a firearm where the transferee
1. presents a valid State permit/license from the State
in which your licensed premises is located AND the State permit or license is recognized by ATF as a qualifying alternative to the background check requirement;
https://www.atf.gov/file/58676/download
You’ll enjoy that 351.
I got back to the office and found one negative review about the “cylinder meets the crane” tendency to break. What is your experience if I might ask?
Haven’t heard of that happening before on any Smith (and I have a bunch starting with a 1 1/2 .32 breaktop from 1880 up to the present) With the light alloys, having some yahoo flip the cylinder shut might do it though. Some folks are concerned about flame cutting of the top strap (above the barrel cylinder gap) but that seems to be a non-issue unless you put tons of rounds through it. Smith’s warranty service is exceptional if there is a problem.
It’s best to get pistol specific ammo for it, as the original .22 Magnum round was mostly for rifles and longer barreled pistols. Some have experienced bad fouling from unburnt powder. I shoot the Hornady Critical Defense ammo, and it is clean, has minimal muzzle flash and develops almost 1100 feet per second out of the Smith barrel.
http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-45gr-Critical-Defense/
And if you haven’t shot .22 Mag before, wear hearing protection.
Here in GA, if you have a GA Weapons permit, no NICS check is done.
Show your GA Weapons permit, pay your money, leave with gun.
Well, plus the 4473.... but no NICS check at all.
You need the paperwork so that a buyer or seller can be prosecuted if they make a mistake. Then someone is a felon and they can never own a gun again. It is a crude tactic and slow, but it works.
I have heard of transfers based only on ID and permit, but I have no idea if what I heard was true.
Maybe we should request a copy of the 4473 when receiving the piece.
Since I have to complete it, I demand a copy -- which I keep separate from the firearm -- in case it is stolen or lost (as in a boating accident...)
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