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Bible Ignorance, Clergy Corruption and the Inquisition in England before the Reformation
Last Days Watchman ^ | Julio Severo

Posted on 01/19/2016 3:42:14 PM PST by juliosevero


Bible Ignorance, Clergy Corruption and the Inquisition in England before the Reformation

Bible Illiteracy as the Cause of Widespread Corruption and Deadly Censorship

By Julio Severo

In plain 21th century and specially in the pro-life and conservative movement, it makes no sense to defend the Inquisition, a highly divisive subject contributing nothing to the pro-family cause. But since 2013 I have seen the Inquisition, which tortured and murdered Jews and Protestants, being passionately excused and even defended by some Catholics. See "Can a Pro-Life Activist Defend The Inquisition?" in 2013 and "Neocons, the Inquisition, Russophobia and Lies" in 2015. See also my exchange with the American Catholic writer Theodore Shoebat, who said, "The Inquisition was necessary to protect the people of Spain and Portugal, and Latin America, from pagan tyranny." (To understand more about the Shoebat case, see his declarations here and my article "A Global Inquisition to Put Homosexuals to Death?")

After this Inquisition advocacy, I feel a Christian obligation to expose the truth, because only the truth makes people free.

I am reading the book "The History of Religious Liberty," written by Dr. Michael Farris, founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association the world's biggest homeschool association. This excellent book, which addresses also the Inquisition and torture and death of Christians at the stake, can be purchased, in its print version, from WND (WorldNetDaily), at this link. To purchase the Kindle version, click here.

"The History of Religious Liberty," recommended by WND, one of the world's biggest conservative news sites, should be read by everyone who wants to understand the bloody cost of religious freedom in England, which greatly benefitted the U.S.

In one part of this book, I remembered Brazil, which has, on a large scale, the same problem described by Dr. Farris and which happened abundantly in England before the Protestant Reformation 500 years ago. He tells about a powerful cardinal who had almost as much power in England as the king himself.
Dr. Farris says:

"[The ultra-powerful Cardinal Thomas] Wolsey held incredible power and wealth... He was ordained a priest and became a chaplain at the royal court sometime around 1507. Along the way, Wolsey amassed an amazing fortune that rivaled that of the king. Part of this fortune came from the practice of awarding leading clerics multiple offices from which were obtained multiple salaries. While holding royal office, Wolsley simultaneously held church positions at Hereford Cathedral, Limington in Somerset, Redgrave in Suffolk, Lydd in Kent, and Torrington in Devonshire, among others. This does not mean that Wolsley actively preached or shepherded these congregations or dioceses; the typical practice was similar to that of an absentee landlord: collecting lucrative salaries while providing little, if any, direct service. Wolsey was not alone in this practice. For example, Tyndale's home of Gloucester County contained the diocese of Worcester, which was among the most abused bishoprics in England. Few of its principal pastors had lived there since 1476, and after 1512 'the diocese had enjoyed three Italian bishops, who lived at ease in Rome, and never set foot in England at all, yet drawing meanwhile, ample stipends.'"

"On November 18, 1515, Wolsey was consecrated a cardinal at a ceremony in Westminster Abbey and just over a month later, on December 24, was made the lord chancellor of England -- the highest rank in the land other than king. It is said that 'his power with the king was so great that the Venetian Ambassador said he now might be called 'Ipse rex' (the king himself).'"

Dr. Farris explains then the cause of this corruption:

"The Bible was essentially unknown in a nation where the Roman Church was so dominant that the pope's annual revenue from England was comparable to that taken by the king. Even the clergy were largely scripturally illiterate."

Elsewhere in his book, Farris shows that English Christians attempting to translate the Bible into English were tortured and burned at the stake. Christians trying to preach the Bible to the people also suffered the same fate. The Catholic Church held the people in ignorance by preaching the Bible only in Latin, a language the people did not understand. Farris explains how a Catholic priest was condemned to be burned for preaching the Bible to the people:

"Early in 1529, a priest named Thomas Hitton was arrested for heresy after preaching in Kent. He was interrogated -- we can assume without mercy -- and confessed to have smuggled an English New Testament into England from the continent. He was condemned by Archbishop Warnham and Bishop Fisher. By standard practice, the ecclesiastical condemnation was enforced by the secular authorities to maintain the pretense that the church itself did not shed blood. On February 23, 1529, Hitton was burned at the stake in Maidstone. Those professing to love and serve God ceremoniously executed another professing Christian in a slow, agonizing, and brutally painful death — all for the express purpose of sending this 'heretic' straight into the fires of hell."

After Wolsey, Thomas More was appointed Lord Chancellor of England in 1529. According to Michael Farris, More rejoiced at seeing a man condemned to be burned for the only "crime" of owning a Tyndale New Testament. According to Farris, the bloodthirsty More said,

"And now the spirit of error and lying hath taken his wretched soul with him straight from the short fire to the fire everlasting."

In his obsession to hinder the people from having access to the Bible, More persecuted especially those attempting to translate it into English. He was the great persecutor of William Tyndale, whose Bible translation was a foundation for the famous King James Version, used by the English-speaking people since the 1600s.

According to Farris, "More willed them to be ignorant of the written Word of God lest they ever doubt the Catholic Church on any point."

For More, Tyndale was a "heretic" worthy of being burned, because by translating the New Testament he had "corrupted" some words of the Bible. Among the words, Michael Farris highlights "love." Farris notes,

"The dispute over the Greek word agape had serious implications for Catholic practices. Translated 'charity,' as More desired, the word has clear financial implications. If Tyndale is correct, and the word is rendered 'love,' then 1 Corinthians 13 indicates that the highest duty of the Christian is to love others rather than to give gifts of charity to the church."

Then Farris shows how Tyndale defended himself for not using the word "charity" in the place of love:

"Throughout his writings, he demonstrates how the ceremonies that the Roman Church contends were revealed by God to the church authorities are better understood as money-making opportunities for the clergy. The sale of indulgences is the best known of these practices. People are denied the freedom to know God's Word, Tyndale suggests, because if they could read it for themselves they would stop paying for religious services that are contrary to the teaching of Scripture."

Apparently, the Catholic clergy kept the people deliberately ignorant in order to exploit them financially. And the Bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil. No pope, cardinal or bishop is immune to this evil.

It reminds me that greed in the Catholic Church, as explained by Catholic neocon Cliff Kincaid, has been one of the major causes of Islamic immigration into the U.S. According to Kincaid, the Catholic Church gets a multi-million dollar profit with this invasion.

About ignorance and corruption, it is interesting to observe that most current politicians of the ruling Workers' Party in Brazil had a past involvement with the Catholic Church, especially the base ecclesial communities with their Liberation Theology. In fact, the current opinion is that NCBB (National Conference of Bishops of Brazil) helped found the Workers' Party (WP), the socialist party ruling today in Brazil.

The ignorance of Brazilian Catholics goes far beyond an exceptionally great adherence to Liberation Theology. It also includes an adherence to historic and religious falsifications. While Michael Farris says that the execution of "heretics" at the stake was a slow, agonizing, and brutally painful death, Brazilian philosopher Olavo de Carvalho denies all of this by saying:

"Even in the popular image of the Inquisition fires lies are predominant. Everybody believes that condemned individuals 'died burned,' amid horrible suffering. The flames were high, more than 16 feet high, to hinder suffering. The condemned individuals (less than ten a year in two dozen nations) died suffocated in a few minutes, before the flames could touch them."

In contrast with Carvalho's romantic version, Farris wrote that on February 9, 1555, Protestant Bishop John Hooper was executed for "heresy." Farris says,

"The fire had burned his legs and he stood on the remaining stumps praying in anguish. Eventually one of his arms was burned off as well. The hellish torture lasted 45 minutes before Hooper, retaining consciousness the entire time, finally succumbed to the brutally slow flames."

Farris also says,

"Perotine Gosset, together with her mother and sister, was convicted of heresy in the summer of 1556 in Guernsey, in the Channel Isles. Perotine did not reveal to the authorities that she was pregnant. The heat of the flames caused her to give birth to a living son, who was snatched from the flames by bystanders. The sheriff grabbed the baby and threw him back into the burning mass of wood and human flesh. His apparent reason was that the baby had been in the mother when she was convicted to die, and so the death sentence applied to him as well."

The execution of "heretics," through death in the flames, was done at the stake. Farris records in his book many of such executions at the stake. The word "execution" appears about 100 times in Farris' book.

He says that between 1506 and 1519, the Catholic Church in England burned at the stake 22 followers of John Wycliffe (1328-1384), who made the first Bible translation into English.

Farris tells that in 1529, Thomas More tortured and executed John Tewkesbury at the stake, because he followed the Bible.

According to Farris, More carried out many similar executions. Farris said, "More defended his many executions by describing 'heretics' that were 'justly' burned at the stake."

In Carvalho's view, the liar regarding the horrific executions by the Catholic Church over 500 years is not Carvalho, but rather Americans. Ironically, he no longer lives in the biggest Catholic nation in the world (Brazil). He lives in the biggest Protestant nation in the world, right in the Bible Belt. Even so, he says:

"The myth of the Inquisition has been the most extensive and lasting campaign of slander and defamation in history until today, with multi-million dollar funding, and it seems this campaign will have no end. Those who created it were not Illuminati or communists. It was created by Protestants, who keep promoting it even today, and the irradiant center is U.S. churches. This is a historical fact that all professional historians today know, and it has nothing to do with 'theological debates.'"

In an October 2015 remark, Mr. Carvalho said that anti-Inquisition Protestants are worse than KGB. With his usual language of affirming that he is supported by "historical facts, abundantly known..." (when in reality he presents no reliable sources and cloaks his weak arguments with a pseudo-intellectualism), he said:

"It is a historical fact, abundantly known today, that the 'black legend' of the Inquisition was from the beginning to the end an invention of Protestants, not of Illuminati or communists. And it is a fact that this legend was and is still the vastest, the most malicious, deceptive and persistent campaign of slander and defamation ever recorded in History. It has lasted 500 years, stretching out throughout the Western world and it shows no indication that it is going to stop. Even the KGB never achieved anything of this magnitude. Like it or not, this is the reality."

Apparently, just by virtue of being an American Protestant Michael Farris would be involved in an alleged "myth" and "campaign of slander" against the Inquisition and its executions. I wonder if Carvalho would also include Rev. Franklin Graham, the president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, who said about the Inquisition: "Many people in history have used the name of Jesus Christ to accomplish evil things for their own desires. But Jesus taught peace, love and forgiveness. He came to give His life for the sins of mankind, not to take life."

Ignorance of the Bible and the Gospel is the biggest cause of those confusions, including about the indisputable role of the Brazilian Catholic Church promoting a theological Marxism that has been highly successful in Brazil over the last 50 years.

Less Bible means more ideology, more greed and more corruption. If the Catholic Church in Brazil taught its people to devote themselves to God's Word, there would be little or no space for the Marxist ideology, and the socialist Workers' Party would never have been founded. Further, the National Conference of Bishops of Brazil would be preaching the Gospel, not socialist ideas.

Therefore, one cannot ascribe all the endemic corruption in Brazil exclusively to adherents of Marxism and the Workers' Party (WP). As shown by Michael Farris, centuries before Marxism, corruption and greed in the Catholic clergy in England were something any WP adherent would envy. Even WP adherents, however, did not go so far as to burn at the stake the true followers of Jesus.

Nor is it a coincidence that all current scandals of WP corruption are happening in the biggest Catholic nation in the world. In many aspects, these are reminiscent of scandals exposed by Farris. As Solomon said in Ecclesiastes 3,000 years ago, there is nothing new under the sun.

As soon as England abolished the domination of a Catholic clergy that greedily controlled it and embraced the Protestant Reformation with its practice of Bible reading, the nation prospered intensely, becoming the British Empire. But the English openness to the Bible was not total. Where it was total, there was greater prosperity, and the United States, where the Bible was the main national book, became a much more important and powerful empire than the British Empire.

Thomas More, the killer who had a torture chamber in the basement of his house to extract confessions from his "heretical" victims, was eventually condemned and executed for political intrigues. The Catholic Church transformed him into a "saint" and "martyr." He left this world with a trail of tortured and killed Protestants. The focus of his life was the Catholic Church, not obedience to God through the Bible.

William Tyndale, considered by Michael Farris as one of the forerunners of the U.S. religious freedom, was fiercely opposed by More and was condemned to die at the stake as a "heretic." Tyndale left this world having never tortured and killed one single Catholic or religious dissenter. The focus of his life was Jesus and His Gospel.

This is the very example of Jesus' apostles, who were known for preaching the Gospel with such great devotion that they were willing to die for it, not to murder in its name.

Ignorance of the Bible inevitably leads to widespread corruption and led to the Inquisition -- a total and murderous censorship of the true followers of Jesus Christ.

An access to Bible reading is essential for the liberty of a people from the darkness of atheism and false religion. All of the early U.S. presidents were diligent Bible readers. Some read it in the original Greek and Hebrew. Others were also chairmen of Bible societies, whose mission was to facilitate access to and reading of the Bible and the evangelization of peoples.

The moral and spiritual decadence of England and the U.S. today is because, coincidently, those two nations abandoned, among their political leaderships and populations, the practice of Bible reading and obedience, whose access was afforded  to the English and Americans by Tyndale and others at a bloody price and by martyrdom.

Portuguese version of this article: Ignorancia da Biblia, corrupcao do clero catolico e Inquisicao na Inglaterra antes da Reforma

Source: Last Days Watchman

Recommended Reading:

Catholic Church Paid Millions in Dollars to Facilitate Immigrant Invasion in U.S.

Can a Pro-Life Activist Defend The Inquisition?

A Global Inquisition to Put Homosexuals to Death?

The 50 Most Violent Cities in the World Are Mostly Catholic


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics; Reference; Religion
KEYWORDS: inquisition; michaelfarris
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1 posted on 01/19/2016 3:42:14 PM PST by juliosevero
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To: juliosevero
These articles are laughable. To anyone who doesn't feel like wading through this tripe, allow me to provide a summary -- "I read this really good book about bad Catholics and the Inquisition which is also bad. It's a good book because Catholics are greedy and bad and the book says so." I rather flatter myself that I captured the author's tenuous grasp of English as well.

I believe you've been corrected more than once on the area and range of operation of the Inquisition. Hitton was found guilty of far more than simply smuggling poorly-translated copies of the Bible into England. Beyond this, there is little worth correcting here is the way of specifics. The article is mainly just a wax ball of generalities and misrepresentations.

Ignorance...I find it amusing in an ironic sense that the main thrust of this article is about ignorance, when only an ignorant person who wants to believe what's being peddled to begin with would buy this nonsense.

2 posted on 01/19/2016 3:57:45 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

And why, exactly, was William Tyndale burned at the stake? Burning people at the stake is hardly “laughable”! During the time of Tyndale, much of the clergy could not even read the Bible. The Roman Catholic church had inserted itself and its teaching between God and the laity. The only thing the laity was to know was what they were told.

“Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against Thee?” Yet, the Roman Catholic church kept the Word of God from the people for hundreds of years! Hardly a laughing matter. It was only toward the end of the last century when the Roman Catholic church relented and finally suggested that the man in the pew could study a Bible.

Play the man, Master Ridley!


3 posted on 01/19/2016 4:11:43 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Shameful to defend what they did to that man and to others. Shameful because it taints todays catholic church with it and they had nothing to do with such atrocities. They were a totalitarian outfit. Today the Church under JPII spread love and freedom around the world.

But the Church then was anything but Christlike. For that matter Calvin and other Protestants were just as evil and murderous as the RCC. But you sound ignorant to defend those evil days, as would I were I to defend Calvin.

Give it a rest.


5 posted on 01/19/2016 4:51:22 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“Tyndale was strangled (his cadaver was burned) for heresy including, among things, mortality of the soul. Henry VIII was going to do for him for condemning his divorce, so Tyndale decided it would be a bright idea to go on the lamb into the Empire. Rookie move.”

Your justification of murder is despicable. It is not the first time I’ve heard a FRoman justify immorality of this kind.


6 posted on 01/19/2016 4:51:33 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (As a representative of Earth, I officially welcome Global Warming to our planet)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Literacy had quickly spread in the renaissance era before this episode. The printing press had made it explode. The church had no reason of protecting people to suppress bible reading as they did.
And if that was the case why was in still forbidden well into the 1800s?

Silliness. And again, shameful to defend what the did then. because it suggests the modern church stands by it which it doesn’t. The modern popes have apologized for all sorts of things from back then. Nice of them, and unneeded. The and the church they know didn’t perform the foul acts.


7 posted on 01/19/2016 5:03:32 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: DesertRhino
I never defended what was done to Tyndale. But being roasted/spitted/quartered for things that most people think of as minor today was a fact of life back in the day. So when people fall over themselves wailing that the Catholic Church killed heretics and point to that as proof that the Catholic Church was an evil blight on humanity, they are ignoring that burning at the stake was prescribed in hammurabi's day, and that Germany beheaded criminals into the 1800's. Are we truly better off today when we let ANYONE come into our country spewing whatever nonsense they want, when we hold every religion equal to the point that Satanists are on the legal high ground when trying to put up their filthy idols? I'm not saying we should burn people, but some discernment wouldn't go amiss.

And I stand by my previous statement, that fleeing into the most powerful Catholics state in Europe, when you're known for hawking heretical ideas, isn't a bright thing to do.

8 posted on 01/19/2016 5:35:46 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Your misrepresentation of what I said is despicable, understanding that you apparently thrive on being outraged.


9 posted on 01/19/2016 5:38:00 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: juliosevero

To this day Evangelicals are always in danger in countries that have a Roman Catholic majority.


Mexico: Catholics attack Protestants, tear down church under construction
http://blog.godreports.com/2013/11/mexico-catholics-attack-protestants-tear-down-church-under-construction/

A mob sent by San Juan Ozolotepec President Pedro Cruz Gonzalez on Nov. 4 attacked the Christians for declining to participate in and help pay for Traditionalist Catholic festivals and for protesting their previous mistreatment. The mob attacked the Christian’s unfinished church structure with sledgehammers and pick-axes, and four of the Christians were jailed from Tuesday until Friday (Nov. 5 to Nov. 8), according to the National Commission on Human Rights (NCHR).


10 posted on 01/19/2016 5:43:53 PM PST by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“Your misrepresentation of what I said is despicable, understanding that you apparently thrive on being outraged.”

I’m not outraged. I find your post despicable for a FReeper - let alone someone who claims the name of Christ.


11 posted on 01/19/2016 5:44:21 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (As a representative of Earth, I officially welcome Global Warming to our planet)
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To: DesertRhino
The Renaissance was a separate episode from the English Renaissance (Shakespeare is often considered a cornerstone of the English Renaissance), which occurred rather later as Northern Europe was, for whatever reason, slower to blossom. The literacy rate in England certainly didn't explode, in fact it barely sparked...It increased only a small amount between the invention of the printing press and the early 1700's (I had the specific statistics saved on an old hard drive, I'll see if I can find them).

The Catholic Church didn't forbid the Bible -- the Catholic Church approved vernacular versions of the Bible even before Luther produced his. What was forbidden were non-approved translations. To me, the line "The Catholic Church forbid people from the reading the Bible!" is the signal example of the sort of nonsense that this article pushes.

12 posted on 01/19/2016 5:47:42 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: the_Watchman

“And why, exactly, was William Tyndale burned at the stake?”

Heresy. He was accused of heresy years before he began his translation of the Bible. Read this book - which is not any sort of defense for the inquisition - if you doubt me: http://www.amazon.com/William-Tyndale-Biography-David-Daniell/dp/0300068808

“Burning people at the stake is hardly “laughable”!”

Exactly. Heresy is no laughing matter.

“During the time of Tyndale, much of the clergy could not even read the Bible.”

Completely false. Ordained priests could read the Bible at the time of Tyndale with ease. They had to.

“The Roman Catholic church had inserted itself and its teaching between God and the laity.”

Completely false. The Catholic Church - founded by God - is made up of the laity and the clergy and thus could not possibly be “between” God and the laity. Instead, the Church served God by serving the needs of the laity.

“The only thing the laity was to know was what they were told.”

Completely false. You have never read a single book on the Middle Ages have you?

“Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against Thee?” Yet, the Roman Catholic church kept the Word of God from the people for hundreds of years!”

Again, completely false. Bible passages were read in Latin and the vernacular at Mass. Bibles were often on open display in parishes. Gutenberg’s first printed book was the Bible.

“Hardly a laughing matter.”

No, spreading falsehoods about the Catholic Church is not a laughing matter.

“It was only toward the end of the last century when the Roman Catholic church relented and finally suggested that the man in the pew could study a Bible.”

That too is false. The last century was the 20th. Yet off the top of my head I can recall that Pope Leo XIII published a letter in the late 19th century encouraging Bible study.

“Play the man, Master Ridley!”

The following is from Cranmer’s trial record when he was questioned by one of the commissioners, a man named Dr. Martin, about who exactly was Supreme Head of the Church in England:

Martin: ”Now sir, as touching the last part of your oration, you denied that the pope’s holiness was supreme head of the church of Christ.”

Cranmer: “I did so.”

Martin: “Who say you then is supreme head?”

Cranmer: “Christ”

Martin: “But whom hath Christ left here in earth his vicar and head of his church?”

Cranmer: “Nobody.”

Martin: “Ah! why told you not king Henry this when you made him supreme head? and now nobody is. This is treason against his own person as you then made him.”

Cranmer: “I mean not but every king in his own realm and dominion is supreme head, and so was he supreme head of the church of Christ in England.”

Martin: “Is this always true? and was it ever so in Christ’s church?”

Cranmer: “It was so.”

Martin: “Then what say you by Nero? He was the mightiest prince of the earth after Christ was ascended: was he head of Christ’s church?

Cranmer: “Nero was Peter’s head.”

Martin: “I ask whether Nero was head of the church or no? If he were not, it is false that you said before, that all princes be, and ever were, heads of the church within their realms.”

Cranmer: “Nay, it is true, for Nero was head of the church; that is, in worldly respect of the temporal bodies of men, of whom the church consisteth; for so he beheaded Peter and the apostles. And the Turk too is head of the church in Turkey.”

Martin: “Then he that beheaded the heads of the church, and crucified the apostles, was head of Christ’s church; and he that was never member of the church, is head of the church, by your new-found understanding of God’s word.”

(Josiah Pratt, The Church Historians of England: Reformation period, Volume 8, Part 1, 57).


13 posted on 01/19/2016 5:48:46 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What should I say, that it was the cleverest thing Tyndale could do to flee into a region that had a rep for executing people like him?


14 posted on 01/19/2016 5:49:49 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: DesertRhino

“But the Church then was anything but Christlike.”

What you’re saying is a logical impossibility. There were great saints and great miracles then - perhaps many more so that now - which can only mean many in the Church were Christlike and the Church (being Christ’s Body) can never be anything but Christ like by definition.


15 posted on 01/19/2016 5:51:22 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Lera
"To this day Evangelicals are always in danger in countries that have a Roman Catholic majority."

I think what you meant to say was, "To this day, a mob attacked some Protestants. In Mexico. Three years ago."

You've established a clear and concerning trend there, friendo. Somebody get Batman on the horn.

16 posted on 01/19/2016 5:53:06 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

The church that claims to be the literal representation of Christ on earth cannot simply say “hey, killing for heresy was the norm”. Justify it some other way. Nothing Jesus said justified RCC or Calvin style murder.


17 posted on 01/19/2016 5:55:42 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I agree that it’s not bright to be a heretic then and then run into catholic turf. They would murder you for being a heretic.


18 posted on 01/19/2016 6:00:09 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

It’s a problem in Mexico


September 18, 2011|12:17 pm

MEXICO CITY – About 70 Protestant Christians lived in the village of San Rafael Tlanalapan, Puebla state, until Monday (Sept. 12), when they faced a frightening ultimatum – leave immediately or be “crucified or lynched.”

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-in-mexico-forced-from-village-55849/#sYvzyth8uishjosP.99


Two dozen Christian families, or close to 158 people, have reportedly been left to starve in the remote village of Mariano Matamoros in Mexico, after local government officials raided farmlands in an effort to drive out Protestants from the region.

International Christian Concern said the raids took place last week, and resulted in the theft of close to 15 acres of crops owned by the Protestant Christian community.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-starve-mexico-government-raids-protestants-catholic-148319/#lWDBxCsgQMAeTJtB.99



19 posted on 01/19/2016 6:07:57 PM PST by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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To: vladimir998

That only makes sense to someone who believes catholic theology and I don’t. To others who simply do not your statement about saints makes no sense because there are no saints that I believe in. And no I don’t believe in the miracles of that Era. Like the Juan Diego thing. So that’s how u and others like me do not see the church then as being of Christ. No murdering, war waging, oppressive Borgia run organization can possibly be the body of Christ.


20 posted on 01/19/2016 6:13:54 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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