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Despite the pundits who've decided the race is over, polls show the Donald refuses to die
The Star Ledger ^ | October 23, 2016 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 10/24/2016 12:30:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As we prepare to enter the final two weeks of this presidential campaign, here's how things shape up:

On the one hand, we have a candidate who's accused of hiring crazed fanatics to aid in her campaign.

On the other hand, we have a candidate who gets crazed fanatics to help in his campaign for free.

Who's going to win? At the moment the most reliable poll in recent history is giving a slight edge to the guy who fires up fanatics for free.

That's Donald Trump, and as of Saturday the Investors Business Daily/TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence Poll had him leading Hillary Clinton by two points in a four-way race. (Check the RealClearPolitics daily summaries of the latest polls here.)

That lead is within the margin of error of course, but it's fascinating that Trump could still be in contention after a couple of what looked like the worst weeks in history.

To find out why, I put in a call to Raghavan Mayur. He's the president of Ramsey-based Technometrica, the company that does the actual polling for Investor's Business Daily.

The IBD/TIPP tracking poll was rated as "the most accurate" in the 2012 race by the New York Times. While other polls had Republican Mitt Romney up by several points going into the election, Mayur's poll correctly showed Obama ahead.

Check this Business Insider article about how IBD/TIPP called the race at this point in the 2012 cycle. They had Obama up 3 points while other polls were calling it for Romney.

In 2008, the poll got Obama's victory margin right down to the decimal point at 7.2. And the cycle before that, the poll put George W. Bush at 2.1 going into an election he won with a 2.5 percent margin....

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


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1 posted on 10/24/2016 12:30:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ledger = NYT Lite....parakeets boycott it


2 posted on 10/24/2016 12:32:29 PM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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I just hope that the vote is so overwhelmingly landslided that I can push it back in the faces of all the jerks that have been pushing those kinds of articles day and night on facebook, and simply tell them to perhaps ponder how many other things they believed that are outright lies.


3 posted on 10/24/2016 12:35:28 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The MSM can’t believe the guy is still standing after the excrement-storm they’ve thrown at him, openly coordinating their efforts with those of the leadership of both major political parties.


4 posted on 10/24/2016 12:35:43 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays: Remind me how you do a scientific poll when 10% of Trump voters are literally hiding. (Big surprise coming, bullies.) #Trump
5 posted on 10/24/2016 12:37:01 PM PDT by mancini
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To: mancini

I was at a Trump rally recently, and when media cameras came around, quite a few people standing in line ducked down out of view.

They explained: “I own a small business. If people see that I went to this rally, my business will be trashed.”

No Hillary supporter has that kind of fear. Well, they may have the fear, but it is without basis: Trump supporters do not destroy the property of the people who vote against Trump. We are civilized. Hillary’s supporters? Vicious, nasty people.

So, yeah, a heck of a lot of Trump supporters are hiding.


6 posted on 10/24/2016 12:41:46 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: mancini
Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays: Remind me how you do a scientific poll when 10% of Trump voters are literally hiding. (Big surprise coming, bullies.) #Trump

While I am certainly not the resident, optimistic Trump supporter here , I do believe there are a significant number of voters not saying they will be voting for Trump. I know of some friends and family where discussion of this election is grounds for a melee. I honestly believe a lot of these people are Trump supporters not willing to deal with the verbal, and in some cases physical, abuse by stating such.

At least I hope that is what is going on, and in *significant* numbers.

7 posted on 10/24/2016 12:43:05 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Die?”


8 posted on 10/24/2016 12:44:51 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is the reason to not believe the polls. 63% believe she lied, 53% believe she should be indicted, only 31% believe the country is headed into the right direction. And yet The mainstream media wants you to believe she’s ahead in most polls. The polls showing HRC in the lead does not mesh with all the other polls.


9 posted on 10/24/2016 12:46:18 PM PDT by wright2bear (#NeverTrump is a mental disorder!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One of those pundits this afternoon is Sean Hannity. How depressing to hear him today.


10 posted on 10/24/2016 12:49:31 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Regarding the headline: “die” ? Why should his campaign die?

The media is ridiculous, willing to spend their last penny of credibility to get sick old Hitlery over the finish line.

Trump will win in a landslide and shock the world like Brexit did.


11 posted on 10/24/2016 12:52:00 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (TRUMP 45 Meet the new boss, not the same as any old boss.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two neverTrumpers/non-endorses switched sides today, Matt Borges, head of OH GOP and Sen. Mike Crapo.

Think they know something the drive-bys don’t?


12 posted on 10/24/2016 12:53:19 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: CatOwner

My husband wears his MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN hat everyday here in AZ. No Problem. He’s visiting his son in San Diego. His son said, Pops, people are getting beat up here for being Trump supporters. What has happened to our Country?


13 posted on 10/24/2016 1:01:52 PM PDT by Hildy ("The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." Orwell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Trump Train is unstoppable. We will win if you grab a neighbor or friend and get out and vote.


14 posted on 10/24/2016 1:02:43 PM PDT by blueplum ((March 11, 2016 - the day the First Amendment died?))
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To: wright2bear

She also couldn’t even win her primary? If she doesn’t have half the Democrats how the hell does she win?


15 posted on 10/24/2016 1:05:47 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a fellow Texan and Cruz voter, it took me awhile before I knew I’d vote Trump. I think a lot of Republicans are like me and have always voted R and can’t stomach leaving the top vote empty.
I admit though, I had more confidence voting for Romney than I will tomorrow. I honestly thought Romney was going to win. I admit he didn’t fight back the smears which were light compared to this time but I thought he’d win.
This time I know our state will still go R but I’m not so confident the other swing states will follow through for us.
I tried in vain to convince my Pa. family to vote straight R but I think the media have swung them to not vote top of ticket which is discouraging for me because and R house and Senate is about as good as it’s been the last 8 years.
BUT to you Trumpers who thing not voting down ticket doesn’t matter all I need to point out is 2008 and how the D house, Senate and P shove Obamacare down our throat.


16 posted on 10/24/2016 1:09:33 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: SoFloFreeper
One of those pundits this afternoon is Sean Hannity. How depressing to hear him today.

Hannity reports all the corruption then turns around and believes RCP.

17 posted on 10/24/2016 1:10:27 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unofficial evidence from the field: First day of early voting in Texas, just voted here in the panhandle. It was the busiest that I’ve ever seen it. Every county in the panhandle voted against obola last time.


18 posted on 10/24/2016 1:11:34 PM PDT by MulberryDraw
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To: LS

I know, I posted threads about both of them.


19 posted on 10/24/2016 1:13:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: wright2bear

> The mainstream media wants you to believe she’s ahead in most polls.<

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The MSM is the greatest enemy of America. It’s not Russia, not Hillary, not Iran, but the MSM. America is being destroyed by a bunch of Lying Americans with poisonous pens.
Let’s not forget this when it is all over.


20 posted on 10/24/2016 1:15:39 PM PDT by 353FMG (TRUMP IS ALL THAT MATTERS)
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