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To: DiogenesLamp; southland; x; PeaRidge
DiogenesLamp: "Not only was the North going to lose huge sums of money if the South became independent, but the South would have subsequently built competing industries to the North, and eventually brought all the Midwestern states within it's sphere of influence."

All false because based on false data.
First, in 1860 Deep South cotton exports ($191 million) paid for roughly half, not 3/4, of US imports.
Other Confederate state exports (i.e., tobacco, rice) added less than 10%.
When all such exports were removed in 1861, the results reduced Federal import revenues only 26%, after which they grew in following years by 19%, 37% and 51%.
This demonstrates that Deep South cotton was not as big a deal as pro-Confederates in 1860, or today, claimed.

Second, in 1860 roughly 10% of the US white population lived in the Deep South, another 10% in Upper South Confederate states.
So about 80% of US citizens lived in Union states whose international trade needs were supplied through such Union cities as New York, Philadelphia, Boston and Baltimore.
Nothing that happened in 1861 could ever force those Union citizens to use Confederate ports for export & import of international products.

Bottom line: pro-Confederate dreams of grandeur, then and now, were based on false assumptions and misunderstood data.
As it turned out, Confederate cotton was not nearly as important to either the Union or their European customers as some Southerner defenders had fantasized.

661 posted on 12/14/2016 7:34:09 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
BroJoeK, I don't care what you think, I don't care about your irrelevant data, I don't care about your efforts to mislead.

The facts speak for themselves despite your efforts to keep steering people back to what you wish to believe. An independent South was a huge threat to the financial interests of the power brokers controlling finance and government in the 1860s (and who's descendants and allies are still controlling finance and government today.)

I have come to realize the threat we face today, (Wealthy and powerful Liberals influencing government to support policies which maintain and increase their wealth) is the exact same problem the South faced in 1860.

There is a Cabal that nowadays people are labeling as "Globalists" which saw the origins of it's power in the 1860s as a result of collusion between government and wealthy elite power brokers. They killed 750,000 people in the 1860s to maintain their control, and countless numbers since.

I see articles regarding this Nuclear deal with Iran being possibly linked to Boeing's 16 billion dollar effort to sell aircraft to this rouge nation. That something might be in the economic interests of those connected with power but contrary to the best interests of the nation is exactly the problem we have faced for a long time.

662 posted on 12/14/2016 8:04:55 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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