[Timpanagos1]

“Ayatollah of Appalachia...”

[ReagansShinyHair]

It’s not really an argument, it’s just contradiction and name-calling. That’s what I see over and over again.

[dartuser]

Atheists hate Ham like liberals hate Trump.

[PROCON]

So, where do you stand with Mr. Ham?

[NobleFree]

We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one [...] upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests.

Studies of biology textbooks and journal articles don't support the claim that "much of human knowledge" rests on the theory of evolution.

[allblues]

So, 13,000 clergyman are saying that the God they claim to worship didn’t really create life as we know it, although the Book they claim to follow explicitly says that same God is the Creator of all things? Hmmmm.

[SubMareener]

Evolution has a basic problem. It has no starting point. When you nail an evolutionist down, they usually resort to the “seed of life” came from somewhere else in the universe. Otherwise, they have to acknowledge a “creator of the universe”, and, since that creator seems indistinguishable from God, they don’t want to do that. Making their problem even harder is the fact that their favorite theory of the physical universe has a beginning!

One of the real things that shows that Evolutionists don’t believe in evolution is that they support preserving “endangered species”. If they really believed in Evolution, the the extinction of an under-performing species in favor of a more adapted species would be desirable and would give them a chance to finally demonstrate the holy grail of evolution: a new species actually appearing by evolution from a preceding species.

[Boogieman]

Well, a problem is that God tells us He not only created life, but specifically and personally created man. However, evolution leaves no room for that, since evolution is an impersonal and unintelligent process.

Those who believe in “guided evolution” do not believe in the theory of evolution any more than creationists, they just hope to shy away from a debate by pretending that they do.

[Smittie]

Among those who dislike the Clergy Letter Project is Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia, famed not only for his creationist ministry, Answers in Genesis (AIG), but also for the infamous, mind-boggling Creation Museum, and for building an exact replica of Noah’s Ark. He is unquestionably the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else.

Real scientific argument there...usually one resorts to name calling when one doesn't have an intelligent rebuttal. I've never heard of Ken Ham beheading anyone or even threatening anyone so i don't where the "ayatollah" thing comes from. Mr. Ham just happens to believe what he reads in the Bible and wants others to come to believe it also so they spend eternity in Hell. Of course everyone has a right to choose for themselves what they believe, but they should at least have an intelligent argument instead of just name calling.

[Bodleian_Girl]

Are these the same fake “clergy” who ranks are filled with pedophiles?

[unlearner]

Are we back to the evolution vs. creationism debate that vanished from FR many years ago?

I miss the good ol’ days of heated debate.

The main problem that biblical creationists, such as myself, have with evolutionary theory is it’s insistence on a universal common ancestor (a thing which some evolutionists now deny), and the debate over the age of the earth and universe. But the UCA is the most significant point of contention.

[Tudorfly]

Jesus is the only man who was right 100% of the time. Ken Ham is a firm believer in Jesus, is saved, and is humble enough to admit his errors when he is wrong...unlike all of his evolution believing (literally unproven science), liberal opponents. I believe that Ken has helped thousands of people accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

[marktwain]

The letter is mostly endorsed by Presbyterians, Methodists, and Episcopols, though Buddists and Jews are also mentioned.

When you have millions of clergy worldwide, it is not that hard to get 13,000 signatures.

Does “much of human knowledge and achievement” rest on the theory of evolution?

It depends. Does the Theory of Evolution include the “old earth” theory? If so, much of geology depends on the theory of evolution. The “old earth” theory was created to explain the facts of geology, not to explain evolution. The “old earth” theory predates evolutionary theory and was necessary for it.

How about DNA and the genetic code? Is that considered part of the theory of evolution? Darwin’s theory was considered discredited until a method was found for variation and replication in specific traits. That method was not found Until the work of Gegor Mendel, the Roman Catholic monk who discovered and essentially invented, genetics, was rediscovered around 1900.

http://www.scientus.org/Mendel-Darwin.html

Mendel’s work was essential for a believable evolutionary mechanism. Mendel’s work led directly to the discovery of DNA, because scientists were trying to figure out how genetics worked. The complexity of DNA is cited by those who promote intelligent design, and evolutionary theorists.

So, I suppose it depends on what you include. I do not think an “old earth” or DNA genetics contradict the Bible.

Obviously, a capricious god could create a universe with all the evidence of an old earth and evolution built in, as a trap or joke on humans. I do not believe God is capricious that way, but Muslims might.

On the other hand, scientific knowledge has plenty of ways for God to have used the evolutionary method to create life and man. The theory of relativity has been cited to show how six days in God’s view could be billions of years in our view.

It seems beyond my pay grade to say that the Science and the Bible contradict each other.

God is beyond scientific knowledge. But science can help us understand the universe.

[Gil4]

...it flatly contradicts their claim that one can’t be a good Christian and also accept evolution.

So it's impossible to have 13,000 clergy who aren't good Christians?

[Lera]

[[[[pro-evolution statement signed by over 13,000 Christian clergymen.]]

Pinging the end times ping list

That’s over 13,000 clergymen that call God a liar
(left out Christian because how can you love Jesus and not love his word ? They aren’t Christian clergymen , they are hirelings that call God a liar)

He has magnified his word above his name. These hirelings don’t believe , they don’t belong behind a pulpit.

(Psalms 138:2) I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

(Psalms 121:2) My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.

God reveals himself through his creation and these people deny him as creator

(Psalms 19:1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

(Psalms 19:2) Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

(Psalms 19:3) There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

(Psalms 19:4) Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

(Psalms 19:5) Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

(Psalms 19:6) His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

They are without excuse

(Romans 1:18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

(Romans 1:19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

(Romans 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

What they are is fools that believe a fairly that things randomly happen , they don’t belong behind a pulpit and they aren’t Christians . They call God a liar

(Romans 1:22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[Elsie]

We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth,

I know; for a scientific FACT; that no Evolutionist has clue One about where Life; itself; began.

They can 'trace back' to Primordial Goo; but no further (or farther; if you so prefer).

They cannot say when Plant life and Animal split apart; one to breath in Carbon Dioxide and exhale Oxygen and the other just the reverse.

They cannot say how symbiotic relationships come about where One type of plant and One type of animal rely on each other ONLY for existence.

[fishtank]

The Clergy Letter Project has been officially endorsed by the Presbyterian Church (USA). The 2016 General Assembly voted overwhelmingly in favor on 22 June 2016.

The Clergy Letter Project has been officially endorsed by The United Methodist Church worldwide!

To read a piece entitled "The Rightful Place of Science In Church" by Bishop Sally Dyck, Minnesota Annual Conference, United Methodist Church, click here.

Similarly, click here to read a piece entitled "The Clergy Letter Project" by Bishop Ernest S. Lyght, West Virginia Annual Conference, United Methodist Church.

The Clergy Letter Project has been officially endorsed by the Presbytery of the Cascades, a governing body that includes 101 Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) congregations

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