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To: DiogenesLamp
"And where do they get this conclusion from? My argument is much simpler."

The conclusion was gotten from the references and excerpts provided:
North America, its agriculture and climate, by Robert Russell, Edinburgh 1857.
The Cotton Kingdom, Vol. 1, by Frederick Law Olmsted, New York – London, 1861.

"It is a conclusion in which they haven't shown their math. Show me the math."

You are the one making the assertion, "Well, the people who were paying 75% of the cost of Running the Federal government had the Sh*t beaten out of them by the other 75% of the Union that wasn't previously paying that tax bill." The onus is on you. I only provided articles with multiple links to contemporary pre-Civil War references that case doubt on such a claim.

Now you have shifted over to arguing that the percent of U.S. exports from southern states must equal the percent value of imports going to the southern states or else that counts as supporting the northern states or the federal government controlled by the northern states.

"Yes, it was discussed in the secession declarations."

The South Carolina declaration only mention "tariff" twice, and it was associated with slave-trade and restriction of slave-trading commerce in other states.

The lack of emphasis in the declarations about tariffs was discussed in "How much of federal tax revenue came from the South before the Civil War?"

72 posted on 08/04/2017 8:33:39 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Carl Vehse
The conclusion was gotten from the references and excerpts provided: North America, its agriculture and climate, by Robert Russell, Edinburgh 1857. The Cotton Kingdom, Vol. 1, by Frederick Law Olmsted, New York – London, 1861.

That may be where he gets his raw data, but the conclusions he reached do not follow from the raw data. He's ignoring a lot of relevant information to reach his conclusions.

You are the one making the assertion, "Well, the people who were paying 75% of the cost of Running the Federal government had the Sh*t beaten out of them by the other 75% of the Union that wasn't previously paying that tax bill." The onus is on you. I only provided articles with multiple links to contemporary pre-Civil War references that case doubt on such a claim.

And here I thought the proof was clear in the information I provided. Let's try this again.

You sell 75% of the export value to Europe. Let's call it 200 Million worth of Value.

Your neighbor sells 25% of the export value to Europe. Let's call it 70 million.

Europe pays a total of 270 Million back to the United States. 200 Million goes to you, and 70 Million goes to your neighbor.

Now the Government puts a tax on this money. You pay the tax for the 200 Million, your Neighbor pays the tax for the 70 Million.

If you run the numbers, your tax equates to 75% of the Total tax, while your Neighbor's tax equates to 25% of the Total tax. (This is assuming the tax rates were equal, which they were not. The Neighbor was getting a lower rate.)

If you are not following, let me know where I need to clarify something.

Let us settle this part before we go on to discuss the fact that the Federal government was taking a bunch of this tax money and spending it to subsidize Northern Shipping, Railroads, Fishing industries, and so forth.

Let us also settle this part before we go on to discuss the fact that the taxes were lopsided in application, with products bought by the South from Europe paying a higher tax rate than products bought by the North from Europe, in which they paid a lower tax rate.

74 posted on 08/04/2017 9:26:37 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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