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To: PeaRidge; Carl Vehse
I have not been following this thread , and am not sure what the question is.

I made the statement that in 1860, the South was paying 75% of all the taxes to run the Federal government, and Carl Vehse disputed this point. He offered as proof several links, but none of them quoted any real numbers on who was earning what money and who was getting taxed on it.

I thought at first that he would be interested to know, just as I only discovered a year ago, that the South was by far paying the bulk of the tax bill for the entire nation. I was shocked when I first learned this, because I had originally bought the premise of that map of tariff collections that I often post, as demonstrating that New York paid the vast majority of taxes.

I didn't understand the true picture until I looked at the real numbers regarding who was earning European money, and who was not.

The real question was how the Federal government would operate when secession permitted direct trade with the South, thus denying Federal tariff revenue. There are many records and articles on how severely crippled the US Treasury was at the time Lincoln ordered warships and military to Charleston and Pensacola to stop direct trade.

Well we now know the answer. They initiated a system of borrowing and spending, selling bonds, raising taxes, collecting deferment fees from rich people, and using the military blockade to freeze out their economic competitor in the South, thus forcing all European traffic to trade only with the North.

85 posted on 08/05/2017 3:11:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Here is the economic data: (from Historical Statistics of the US, Dept. of Commerce, pg. 164)
Receipts of US Government for 1859—$53,486,000

Revenue from tariffs in 1859—$49,566,000

Federal government spent all of this on Congressional items, Navy and Army budgets, interest on public debt, and veterans pensions.

Tariff data: In 1859 tariff revenue was $49,566,000 on $331,333,000 worth of imports.

The exports from the US that bought those goods were worth $278,902,000 at the ports of exit from the US.

Of that amount, the value of cotton, tobacco, rice, naval stores, sugar, molasses, hemp, cotton manufactures (all originating in the South) was worth $198,309,000 (Statistical abstract of the US, 1936 edition,pgs 435-439) or about 71%.

Adams uses the figures of 87% which is the above amounts, plus he adds the value of tariffs paid on overseas purchases made with cash by Southern governments, and the proportional value of southern cotton in northern textile exports.

86 posted on 08/07/2017 6:25:57 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp

This data chart must be the one you are seeking:

U. S. Department of Commerce

Agricultural Production of the South Yearly Detail 1859

Value of Total U.S. Exports ..........$278,902,000

Value of Raw Southern Products:

Cotton .....................$161,435,000
Tobacco .....................21,074,000
Rice .........................2,207,000
Naval stores .................3,696,000
Sugar ..........................197,000
Molasses ........................76,000
Hemp .............................9,000
Other ........................9,615,000
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Total ( 71% ) $198,309,000

Value of Southern manufactured Cotton exports ............4,989,000
Value of cotton component of Northern Manufactured cotton exports (60%) ......3,669,000
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Total ( 74% ) $205,459,000

Value of Processed Foods:
.............Bread-stuffs/processed fish/meats/corn...........$36,640,000

Total Southern Products ( 87% ) $242,099,000

Export Specie for Purchase or debts: ........$57,502,000 assume 20% for overseas purchase.

Total Southern Contribution ....................$252,000,000

U.S. Department of Commerce, U. S. Treasury, Report of L. E. Chittenden, Howell Cobb, Treasurer, Annual State of the Union Address, James Buchanan, J. D. B. DeBow, Charles Adams, Thomas Kettel, W. F. Taussig, Thomas Huertas, Historical Statistics of the United States Department of Commerce, pg. 106,432.


87 posted on 08/07/2017 6:34:18 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp

About that map and who uses it. The map only gives the amount of tariffs collected at the U.S. Customs house in New York. What amount was paid by locals cannot be defined.

Who paid it is another matter and cannot be determined by referring to that data.


90 posted on 08/07/2017 7:07:55 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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